Hell, even if the Republicans had held the convictions they espoused on Jan 7th, we'd be done with his insanity and cruelty...
Call me woke or whatever but im against capital punishment in any instance
I generally am as well, but considering the circumstances, I'm willing to make an exception in this case.
I don't want to make martyrs. I want them to grow old and frail watching their legacies crumble and their fortunes taken from them. Death is too quick for fascists.
Just like Mussolini the well know Italian maytr
You say that like there aren't fascists who think he made the trains run on time.
Still dead and last I checked they never rebuilt his regime.
No matter what you do there is going to be some idiot that'll worship any fascist
They never rebuilt the Mussolini regime because that's never how fascism works. But... [gestures broadly at the current state of the world]
I mean it's been 80 years. These shitheads would have admired him if he was hung or died shitting his pants at 80.
His death was effective for the people at the time
They never rebuilt his regime, but Togliatti, the chairman of the Italian Communist Party, signed an amnesty that pardoned or reduced sentences for fascists and partisans alike. So, many fascists simply transitioned into new positions of power in the newly formed Italian republic and aligned with the US anti-communist, anti-union agenda.
Life is too short to waste on extremely dangerous lost causes. Decide, execute, learn, prevent, move on.
Human rights are one thing. But extreme human rights violations and war criminals are another. Preaching tolerance for the intolerant is wrong.
You ever watch the Alien movies? Imagine thinking jailing a xenomorph is a good idea. Hubris.
Except the xenomorph is an animal, a remorseless killing machine. Kill it, and it's dead. It's acid blood might burn a hole in the hull and turn all the astronauts into iced spaghetti, but its death is the beginning of the end of the problem.
Trump is not our monster. He's a symptom of the problem, like an infected cyst that forms due to autoimmune deficiency. His end will not make American great again. Our government needs to be able to function and expel infections like Trump without a violent coup, otherwise we're just kicking the can down the road. We need a United States that can maintain its governmental functions regardless of who is in the seat of power, one where criminals are imprisoned efficiently until they can be rehabilitated, even if that never happens. As cathartic as it might be to see enemies punished, vengeance is not justice. Creating a system that cannot be capricious or vengeful is the only way to prevent despots from being capricious and vengeful. If we have learned anything, it's that we cannot rely on our representatives being decent people with good intentions.
There is no purpose to a bad person suffering, but I'd be lying if I said would not feel gleeful catharsis if certain powerful people's finger nails were ripped out, their eye's gouged, their balls smashed, their individual teeth crushed and ripped out, their skin then flayed off their bodies, and then their whole bodies set on fire to finish them off.
Sure, but that's exactly why people should not have the authority to decide punishments. Even if I agreed with you in this case, capricious torture would absolutely be used by the people we hate against the people we care about. Our first order of business should be to restore a functional justice system.
Please stop talking like that. This is like describing the most delicious hamburger to guys starving in a POW camp.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
AGreed. If rights aren't applied even to those we hate, they aren't rights, they're privileges.
I think there are definitely instances where a person has done something terrible enough that they should no longer be sharing an earth with the rest of us. Treason that results in hundreds or thousands of deaths (like sabotage, espionage) is one of them, attempting a coup is one of them, really deranged murders are one of them, etc.
I'd generally agree but there comes a point where a certain person has done so much intentional harm (in/directly killing so many) and is just above any law or judge... that i'd look the other way if they get Kirk'ed.
The laws, no matter how corrupt, are there for a reason. If even that fails... well, there's guillotines.
Unless it's on billionaires.
Its hard to define such laws.
I'm afraid that racist poor whites would use the ensuing chaos after such a hypothetical revolution to vandalize Asian American small bussiness owners because they deem them "rich" and try to lynch us. I don't want my family getting lynched, I don't want another LA Riot happening, it'd be terifying for us.
When North Vietnam won the Vietnam War, they made policies that effectively forced the Chinese diaspora to flee the country.
I don't exactly like revolutions, I prefer a democratic transition.
Aren't we all one mistake away from becoming billionaires?
Punishment: Cersei Lannister Style Walk of Shame
So you want Trump to walk naked down the street? Who is being punished here
Ever heard of the infamous 34 criminal convictions?
Google Trump Rule 34 for more info
OK thanks for the suggestion Be right back
Likewise. If we can't treat our enemies with the humanity we would want treated to us then we're not much better than they are. Also aware that making martyrs is never a wise idea.
He could easily be stripped of all possessions and wealth and thrown in prison or exiled till they die a slow meaningless death. That's the best way to deal with them.
I'm also against the death penalty, and don't advocate for it in any instance.
But I'm not gonna be sad if he is executed.
🙏🏻
Friendly reminder that south korea is a straight up oligarchy. They're doing good in the instance, but they're not as much better than the usa as they would like you to think
Hey you know what's so interesting about Korea?
They got two dystopias in one peninsula.
Two for the price of one.
I keep wondering which one of the two countries will first implement cyberpunk: the Sovereign Chaebol of Samsung or the United State of FAANG.
Yes. Geunhye Park, the president from a few years back who was caught red handed embezzling millions and consulting a shaman on national policy barely got a slap on the wrist and was back rubbing shoulders with politicos like a year later. The cronyism goes deep here.
Imagine living in a functioning country.
South Koreans can only imagine it as well. It is a grim dystopia for the working class there either way, this is just a skirmish between two factions in their oligarchy.
If there is to be a death penalty, it should be used against the wealthy and powerful.
They have shown they cant be trusted to run society.
That’s how your supposed to do it
One simple “hack”….
FWIW, axes are more efficient than guillotines.
Life in prison without possibility of release is just an forgone death sentence.
Put Trump in a cell where he can see a golf course he'll never play.
Taking out the people at the top seems like the answer to many of the worlds problems.. my own solution to the Greenland thing is that we take out Trump, I’ll even tell you how I would do it, remove the US nukes from the tips of UKs trident missile and replace with tungsten rods then use it like the Russians use oreshnik for a sub launched ballistic missile kinetic strike on mar a lago to turn it into a big hole. Imagine the world wide celebration.
trump, and any of the gop, billionaires that supported him.
Life in prison would be enough.
Although... it is treason... dunno.
I disagree. With treason you've gotta go for the kill for a few reasons. Firstly there's the obvious violent prison break followed by an armed coup. Second it splinters their followers; without a strong leader the group is far more likely to turn on itself. Thirdly it reinforces the idea that coup's are the most dangerous move you can make and no matter who you are there's an absolute and final punishment.
Look where the US is now after not killing the traitors. Normally I'm staunchly against the death penalty but in instances like this it's truly for the greater good.
Stop threats to democracy
Isn't Korea getting these insurrection attempts with each new administration?
No.
Real democracies don't kill or disqualify their politicians. Jail is fine, but even a criminal should be allowed to win a majority vote.
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