They will appeal to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will sign in their favor, meanwhile they will not spend any money.
They need a temporary restraining order in order to do that. Do they have one? I haven't seen it in any stories yet.
I don’t think I understand the question. A judge ordered Trump to do something. Trump does not have to do any of that, because he appealed. I’m not sure entirely how this process works… But I can guarantee you zero money will be spent on snap until the Supreme Court makes its decision. If the Supreme Court makes the decision that Trump has to support snap, Trump will still not support snap. No one is going to reach into the pocket of the government and pull out the money. It is just not going to happen. Every single thing that you see is just a puppet show.
Not arguing your conclusion, but to answer the question regarding the question
Just appealing a ruling doesn't mean he doesn't have to follow the ruling. He still has to follow the ruling until a judge, any judge involved in the case, says that he doesn't have to follow the ruling as either a temporary stay of said ruling or a permanent judgement.
So if he doesn't do as ordered (and I agree that he won't) he is 100% in violation of the law AND the judge's orders.
But also he's immune to prosecution for official acts, so why should Trump give a shit about any of that?
What does "following the ruling" even look like? Does Trump have to cut a check for it? Is there some bureaucrat who pushes some buttons on a computer? Who will make either of those things happen? The courts have no enforcement arm. Congress has no enforcement arm. We're relying on American humans to follow the rules and I have given up hope on that happening.
The judge ordered the administration to report back by Sunday or Monday night with plans on how it would happen.
Actually two different judges in different states ruled this same way with the same requirement.
But… you know he has no intention of doing what a judge says, and there is nothing anyone can do—besides end trump’s life violently—to stop him.
Then Democrats need to be on top of the messaging and make sure that everyone knows who is directly responsible for their hunger.
So I'm not super optimistic...
Are you sure Newsome won't throw a couple snarky tweets out there? That's about all they have to offer at this point 😐
Yeah we are fucked. The world is not going in a good direction. And it doesn’t that schadenfreude is so rampant.
The Trump administration will undoubtedly appeal, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court.
That's gonna be a good look for them. /s
Doesn't matter how it looks. Cult members won't care, trump will ignore the order, people will starve.
The cruelty is literally the whole point. This administration is evil.
I don't think they're even going to bother to appeal as much as they're just going to ignore a court order... again.
The cult is basically irrelevant. Their loyalty is guaranteed, like you said.
I'm more interested in what the other 2/3rds of the country will do.
Nothing. They might throw some more peaceful protests. Woo.
I think actual hunger could be a big motivator. Might not happen at first, but the longer that parents have to go hungry so their kids can eat, the more motivated people will get.
I bet some will care. And some is all you need. A few here and there from the things this administration does will make all the difference
This is an excellent point. Trump brought out 77.3 million votes for his coalition. Meanwhile, 75.0m voted Harris, and 3.0 million voted third party (mix of ideologies, not all would-be Harris votes). Add to that 90+ million non-voters, which probably has some fraction of the 6 or so million voters who voted for Biden in 2020 who didn't turn out for Harris. Convince 29k people in Wisconsin, 80k in Michigan, 120k in Pennsylvania, and like 45k in Nevada to turn out for Harris, and we're not having this conversation right now. We don't need all the cult to switch votes. Frankly, 1% swapping or 2% actually turning out is all we need. And people dooming about how set the Trumpers are seem to be working more to depress enthusiasm amongst Blue Team players than actually save democracy.
Okay so we get another squeaker election where the Democrats win. The Republicans will say that it was faked and wrong, spend the rest of the time complaining, and those 45k in Nevada and 120k in PA will flip back and we'll be right back to where we are, or probably worse.
Why? Because that's what's happened every election of my goddamned life and it's never going to change, no matter how many people die of starvation because a wire transfer wasn't made.
Apathetic bloody planet. I've no sympathy at all.
I'm sure at some point a judge ordered Hitler to stop killing Jews.
Hitler literally got a law passed so that a judge couldn't block him from doing anything. So until Trump has his Reischtag fire and declares a state of emergency it's not really comparable.
Passed shortly after Hitler became Chancellor, the Act effectively transferred significant legislative authority from the Reichstag (the German parliament) to Hitler and his cabinet, allowing them to enact laws without parliamentary consent. The Act also permitted amendments to the constitution and control over the national budget. Despite its ostensibly reassuring language regarding the roles of the president and parliament, the Enabling Act fundamentally undermined democratic governance in Germany.
We already had the "official acts" SCOTUS ruling instead.
The ruling which states that SCOTUS itself is the final arbiter of what constitutes an "official act." So if (lol) there's ever a non-GOP president again, SCOTUS has the ability to take away Presidential Immunity whenever asked to rule on a relevant case. A neat trick that everyone seemed to forget during the Biden admin.
There's no fire. He just paid a bunch of people to tear down the white house.
Sure, he'll probably blame Dems
To be fair, Congress has all but abdicated their responsibility to check the executive branch, and the courts have no enforcement mechanism. So it's not all that different, in effect.
Best we have is Civil Contempt. It's different than criminal contempt, which can be pardoned by the President and must be enforced throught the executive or the Marshalls service. A judge can appoint anyone to enforce civil contempt rulings, including someone who doesn't report to the federal executive.
Lots of people's don't understand the difference between civil and criminal, and a automatically assume criminal is always stronger. But civil is a lot more flexible because civil and criminal have different goals and remedies.
Criminal penalties are punishment for committing crimes. People think of murder and theft, but by far the most common criminal convictions are traffic violations. You get caught speeding and you have to pay a pre-defined penalty or take a driver's ed class or whatever. For the most part, criminal convictions can result in fines, imprisonment, or execution.
Civil is different. Civil cases aren't seeking punishment - they're seeking relief. That is, in a Civil case, the Court can make you do something or stop doing that thing.
For an easy example that I run into pretty often in municipal government, I'll highlight the difference between Civil and criminal cases for the same offense: building a fence past your property line into the public right-of-way.
When I take someone to court in that case, I can go criminal or civil (or both).
If I take them to criminal court, the judge can make them pay a fine. But the judge can't make them remove the fence. We can issue separate citations every day and have 14 charges on the docket each week, but that's it. There are some billionaires in some areas who actually build illegal fences and just pay the $500/day in fines because money isn't an object to them.
But when I take them to civil court, the city isn't seeking punishment for what they've done - it's seeking relief. That is, instead of a fine, the judge can order that the fence be removed, and (and this is the big point) that if it ISN'T removed after the order the judge can appoint someone else to go on the property and forcefully remove it.
We actually have a case in my city where we're have a court-appointed third-party private firm preparing to tear down a large part of house that cost 9 figures because the owner is refusing to carry out the judge's order regarding their illegal construction. The judge didn't want to put the city in charge because the impact on property tax revenue of tearing down such an expensive piece of property might convince the city to turn a blind eye.
When an order isn't obeyed, a judge can appoint someone to carry out the ruling, and unlike in a federal criminal case which requires that the judge appoint the Marshall's Office, a civil ruling specifically doesn't have that restriction on the judge.
Sorry, but that attitude is exactly why they keep gaining ground. That argument is propaganda that JD Vance and Adrian Vermule (the modern Carl Schmitt who is fucking obsessed with the OG Carl Schmitt) have been trying to promote for quite some time.
First it was JD Vance claiming that judges don't have the authority to overrule a president's executive authority. It's not that JD Vance graduated from Yale without ever learning about checks and balances. It's that he went on TV, and used his position of authority to state a lie that this administration needs to be true. When judges kept overruling Trump and using the legal system to undo much of the shit that he did, it back peddled to well he's just going to take it to the supreme court anyway.
While that's true, it's turned into the Trump administration being bogged down with hundreds of lawsuits. While the supreme court is corrupt as fuck, it takes time for them to actually hear cases and make a decision. So claiming that judges and congress don't still act as speed bumps to Trump's evil plans is frankly bullshit.
If we can make it another year and prevent him from cancelling or rigging the elections, then we can take the house back and begin actually investigating some of this bullshit. This time next year the propaganda will be back to the standard: Your vote doesn't really count, or why bother voting because both sides are the same. Just ignore the fact that some people are willing to work very hard and dump millions into propaganda campaigns discouraging voting, and rigging the law to make sure voting is made as difficult as possible.
I'm not sure if that's true or not.
Hitler essentially stripped out all Jewish sympathy from the german legal system almost as soon as he took power.
There were several legal challenges, especially against the concentration camps. They were quite close to succeeding
Trump's legal troubles are very similar, especially is regards to their shared attempts to overthrow the government (although Hitler lost and received a stern slap on the wrist)
Don't give ideas to pedonald.
Because there are no consequences for his crimes and lawlessness, 42 million Americans are now without the food support they need.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-defies-court-snap-ruling
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/01/millions-lose-food-aid-snap-trump-shutdown-00632404
At some point I expect the admin to admit they already spent the money. What will the courts do then?
Nothing. It will have been a "presidential duty" immune from consequences, as ordained by the bootlickers in the SCrOTUS.
So how is the judiciary expected to enforce this?
Not sure, but it does give Republicans an additional roadblock in their propaganda campaign to blame Democrats.
If people do start going hungry, the GOP might not like the reaction they get from some people in their own base.
At the very least, maybe there will be a few people whose echo chambers ring with “it’s the dems fault”, who will hear this and finally start to think.
Presidential elections hinge on one or two percent of voters do every little bit helps
This is good, because people won't go hungry
This is bad, because concessions and breadcrumbs like this will prevent people from overthrowing this tyrant
Looks like he's ignoring it
Then people lacking long term health care - like Luigi - will be better soldiers than starving people.
Those shitheads haven't listened to any judges yet, they aren't starting now. SCrOTUS let the orange cancer be above the law.
The only positive thing is that this will hurt MAGAts more. They'll get to experience what they voted for. Thankfully my blue state has already started shuffling funding toward feeding people here.
So there's obviously a back and forth on the legal side, but presumably people are right now getting the funds when they go buy food, right? It says "will not have to make hard choices" but doesn't specifically say there's money for them right NOW.
Yeah, there’s no money. Appealing will stop the funding, and for some reason USDA said it takes “weeks” to get the SNAP debit cards reloaded. https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5583746-when-will-snap-ebt-cards-be-reloaded-delays-still-possible-despite-judges-rulings/
So hard choices are back on the menu.
Some states gave some funds to EBT cards. Some didn't.
The way this admin wields power reminds me of one of my favorite video game quotes.
"It's not a cudgel you barbarian..." -Cortana
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