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If only we had invented and built some sort of alternative mode of collective transportation. Maybe it could be in tunnels and ride on metallic rails. It would serve many people and make periodic stops to the same locations instead of the highway clusterf- we have today. Sad that we don't, but a man can dream though. A man can dream.

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That's the funny thing about it all: the ruling class couldn't give less of a shit about the wellbeing of the people. But they care about their companies' revenue, and that is threatened if people have no money to spend. That is why we need Universal Basic Income in the near future.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

UBI is a great idea, but it allows people to take risks. Including the risk of forming a union, protesting in a larger way and so forth. That sort of happened with the Hippies in the US. It was easy to get a job, so people used that to earn some money, quit and enjoy themself for a longer period.

That is why the social safety net is as crappy as it is. Fear is the only way to keep the general population in line.

[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 189 points 3 days ago

Have they Tried RAISING Prices while DROPPING Wages? That might help!

[-] klammeraffe@lemmy.cafe 52 points 3 days ago

Just stop importing avocados and toast

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[-] Death__BySnuSnu@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Why not just finance the unaffordable cars for 10-15 years? That'll solve the problem.

[-] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

And ensure they catastrophically fail around year 6 or 7

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

WHAT??? HOW WOULD THAT POSSIBLY HE----oh. I see what you did there. I ate the lemon.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What if Wall Street failed and collapsed? I feel like that would be good

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

For every 1% increase in unemployment, 40,000 people die.

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[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

Can't we have affordable repairable cars AND reliable public transport? That would sure be nice.

Many places in America at least are just too spread out. But we dont need a super mega duper feed f teenthousand to drive around. Shit like the Slate would be amazing if it could exist (I realize bezos funded it. Still doesn't keep it from being a bad idea).

Thats why I will argue old cars were undeniably better. You could actually repair them and they weren't rolling spyware with a subscription.

1990 to about 2014 is the perfect spot for cars. Before that is archaic for most people (i prefer 80s cars myself) and newer than that its just a corpo bot on wheels.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Sure. An eroded economy. Stagnant wages for many long with decreasing buying power. Price hikes thanks to tariffs, increasing insurance costs, rising subscription costs, etc. Cars bought at inflated prices and high interest for extended payment schedules during the covid price gouging, and just generally way too expensive these days anyway, are all draining bank accounts far more quickly than ever.

Bet any repos don’t go back on lots for resale, they’ll park them in the desert somewhere just to prop up scarcity and new car prices.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago

maybe if dealers would actually tell you the price of the car instead of spinniing it as a monthly expense

[-] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

Yes, but how can that poor salesman possibly get you into the most expensive car for the longest terms that way? They've got a commission to max out!

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

There is a dealership local to me that pays their sales staff annual salaries with benefits rather than working on commission. It’s the only place anybody in my family will buy a car now.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 25 points 3 days ago

Once living in your car became a viable housing alternative, they had to take that away, too.

Wait until they figure out we need food to live.

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 49 points 3 days ago

Uh oh

In August, the share of subprime auto loans where borrowers had missed payments for 60 days or more was 6.43pc, according to Fitch Ratings. Bar a 6.45pc reading in January, this was the highest level recorded since Fitch’s data began in 1993 (back then, the rate was just 0.12pc) and far above the financial crisis peak of 5.04pc.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 24 points 3 days ago

Woah

I'll tell you what though, I'm glad I have a paid off car.

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[-] Feyd@programming.dev 47 points 3 days ago

Are the millennials killing car ownership!?

[-] don@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago

Boomers told me millennials kill everything. Which by its own nature means millennials killed killing everything.

But that means they also killed killing killing everything

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Do you know what Henry Ford himself did?

Increased the wages so his own workers would buy his cars...

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 points 3 days ago

Henry Ford was a capitalist, racist, eugenicist asshole, but he had one thing the current capitalist, racist, eugencist assholes in power today don't: long term economic planning.

It's literally just supply side economics. If you have the power to increase the buying power of your customers, your customers can and will spend more money. Also more free time means people will want to spend more money on things to do and things to own, meanwhile if they're stuck spending 60-80 hours a week purely focused on work they'll be too tired to want anything other than food in their belly and a bed to sleep in

[-] JennyLaFae 12 points 3 days ago

And gave them more time off to use them. He wasn't any humanitarian paragon, just a good capitalist.

[-] lemming741@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

A capitalist with a longer time horizon than next quarter

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

The name of my local mall is prefaced by "Cadillac Fairview (CF)". Cars have been overpriced for a long time now and the auto industry is investing in real estate. I think they may price themselves out of customers, just like the theater chains but at least they'll get a bailout.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

CF has no relation to Cadillac the car company. Fun fact, it's parent company is the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan

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[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

US admin is catering to corporations who only want to suck in everyone's money.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago

The new corporate objective is to have everyone die penniless, with no inheritance for their children.

Except for the wealthy, of course. They know how to handle money responsibly, by investing it properly, and not blowing every last penny on fleeting pleasures like food, housing, and transportation.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 days ago

Buying a new vehicle hasn't made sense for about 30 years now.

I've been driving for about 30 years and in all that time, I've never owned a new vehicle. I kept buying used vehicles for about $2,000 - $3,000 per vehicle. The oldest one I've ever had is a 2004 Volvo station wagon and I still maintain it and it's still running as one of my main vehicles. My other main vehicle is a 2010 GMC Truck which I also maintain. They don't look new, they show a bit of rust around the edges, but they are still very good vehicles that will last several more years.

Once they break down enough ... I'll buy another used vehicle. In all, over the past 30 years, I've spent about $30,000 on multiple vehicles (I think I've gone through 8 or 9 in that time).

It has never made sense to me to buy a brand new $40,000 car that will only be used for about five years before you buy the next one.

[-] MinFapper@startrek.website 23 points 3 days ago

That's going to become more and more difficult to do over time.

Cars are being designed to be difficult to repair and to fall apart in less and less time.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Trump is bankrupting Americans and America so they can install a technocratic dictatorship

[-] thepompe@ttrpg.network 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why do we only blame trump?

There's bi-partisan support for making sure China can't sell its EVs in the US, even though they cost $15k and have 300km range.

Meanwhile we have dumbasses buying teslas saying "they didn't get ripped off."

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[-] titanicx@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

How much do you use the train? I spent 8 years without a car, and let me tell you this, getting that 4 to 5 hours back that I was wasting on the bus, commuting, shopping, going to entertainment, Eric, that's something I don't ever want to do again. Bus and train combo with a bike still was hours to do a commute that takes maybe 30 minutes by car.

[-] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 11 points 3 days ago

That's not really an inherent problem to buses or trains, but rather a problem with poor implementations of them. Build out mass transit and fund it properly, and they largely go away. At rush hour, I have 3 different train options that would get me from my neighborhood to the city center faster than I could by car, and cheaper on top of it.

If we keep on saying, "Well, it's not good enough now, so forget about it," we'll just be having this conversation again in a few years, lamenting the fact that we didn't take the chance to build out now, but probably with more people having even more cars.

[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's a drag, but that's just an example of a poorly planned city. I've lived in places like that, but it doesn't have to be that way. I saw a you tube video about a city in the Netherlands I think it was where every house was within a 5 minute bike ride of a train station, and you could get around the city on a bike just fine, but if you wanted to drive, you'd have to go around to a road that looped the outside of a city. https://youtu.be/r-TuGAHR78w

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[-] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago

You mean there is a flaw in the capitalistic idea of infinite profit growth. I am shocked.

[-] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

Don't forget proper bike infrastructure, trams, subway, busses. Like in most European countries. You'll end up with smaller roads, lower speeds, less accidents, cleaner air, faster transportation, less car parks so more room for development of huises, more jobs, less waste. Or you could widen the roads, remove sidewalks and force people to drive cars on a road crowded with massive trucks which will crush you like a tank when hit. Hard choice.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Fake News. All my homies can’t wait to go sixty goddamn thousand dollars in debt to by a house-sized . . I wanna say . . truck?

Me though, been pulling extra shifts - got my eye on that $90,000 volvo EV. Mmmm! You basically can’t afford NOT to buy it!

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[-] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

My truck is 25 years old 139k miles and runs great. It will probably last another 80-100k and we just paid off my wife's car. We have no intention of taking on debt for a new vehicle unless it's necessary.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago

I'm round 250k miles on my car (admittedly, not American so it's actually a bit over 400k km) and it's not even the most kilometers I've had on a car.

Buy something with an engine and transmission that are known to last that doesn't have known rust issues, take care of it, and it will take care of you. You of course seem to have realized it already.

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So happy mine are paid off.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

t.b.f the reporting is more about whether these companies have hidden loans (including possibly loans that other lenders don't know about), which could have happened within railway companies just as easily as in car companies!

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