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Americans can’t afford their cars any more and Wall Street is worried
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How much do you use the train? I spent 8 years without a car, and let me tell you this, getting that 4 to 5 hours back that I was wasting on the bus, commuting, shopping, going to entertainment, Eric, that's something I don't ever want to do again. Bus and train combo with a bike still was hours to do a commute that takes maybe 30 minutes by car.
That's not really an inherent problem to buses or trains, but rather a problem with poor implementations of them. Build out mass transit and fund it properly, and they largely go away. At rush hour, I have 3 different train options that would get me from my neighborhood to the city center faster than I could by car, and cheaper on top of it.
If we keep on saying, "Well, it's not good enough now, so forget about it," we'll just be having this conversation again in a few years, lamenting the fact that we didn't take the chance to build out now, but probably with more people having even more cars.
It's a drag, but that's just an example of a poorly planned city. I've lived in places like that, but it doesn't have to be that way. I saw a you tube video about a city in the Netherlands I think it was where every house was within a 5 minute bike ride of a train station, and you could get around the city on a bike just fine, but if you wanted to drive, you'd have to go around to a road that looped the outside of a city. https://youtu.be/r-TuGAHR78w
Well, Shaun, lemme tell ya; I didn't mind the 4 to 5 hours a week I spent on the train or the bus. Partly, because sometimes I got to meet genuinely lovely and hilarious strangers, and even make friends with people I never would have met otherwise. Or help people that needed help, being in the right place at the right time. I kinda miss that, having chances at being a kind stranger.
And you know, there is the savings to consider. Not having to spend the extra 30 hours at a job I hate to pay for an $800 expense I don't need was worth the extra commute time, in my opinion. All that extra free time that I wasn't driving or working to afford driving, I could use to read books. Or write books.
Beyond that, it was nice to have the cheapest and most freeing exercise I'd get. That's more money I didn't spend on a gym membership, owning a bicycle and taking it to visit my friends or getting groceries. And when the weather got bad and I needed a car, I'd just call a taxi. Or set up a carpool with a coworker, offer to pay for gas. It was still cheaper than owning a car. It was nice to have a chance to make friends with my coworkers too.
How much effort did it take to plan my entire life around the logistics of taking my bike/the bus/the train? About as much effort as it did planning my life around owning a car.
The only time I ever needed a car, Shaun, was when I lived in the middle of nowhere and there was no public transit. Because the local government designed the infrastructure that way.
Well I don't know where you getting the name Shaun. But when I say 4 to 5 hours I don't mean 4 to 5 hours a week I mean 4 to 5 hours a day. I would get up and on the bus by 3:30 in the morning to be to work by 6:15 I would then get off work and I wouldn't be home until sometimes 5:00 or 6:00 at night and if there were a delay could be as late as 7:00 at night. I too had great experiences with people I met on the bus I'm at a lot of great people I took homeless people out to eat I became friends with quite a few people the bus drivers hell my next door neighbor that ended up moving in I knew him because he was a bus driver before he moved in. However there is a limit to how much we need to be able to do.
I dunno, you called the other guy Eric, so I thought 'Well, alright, if we're doing the naming-strangers-on-the-internet bit, I guess I'll call you Shaun.' No harm or offense meant, friend. There were places I lived where the bus infrastructure was legitimately that bad. I remember the 3 hour rides to work too. -_-; Those were awful. I spent months camped out at the city planner's office begging for extra service on my route after I quit that job and got one closer. No dice, sadly.
This is my absolute most favorite post comment and can relate to all that fully