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[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The older I get the more I want to have quality over quantity. Older shows are so hard to watch because there is just so much filler. Half of it can be cut easily and still keep anything of importance in terms of story and character growth. I've always appreciated tight story telling and I'm happy to see it as a trend.

I'm assuming anyone wanting more watered down content watches shows all day every day and I honestly don't know how they do it. Not just in the sense that you should probably have a job and other hobbies but also in the sense that it just gets so damn boring.

Having less episodes doesn't mean that every episode needs to be expensive, but that the budget should go to making writing and direction the best it can be.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

I like SNW a lot but it’s still far too overproduced. the Orville is much more pleasing to the eye. What’s mad is I’m sure Discovery had a higher budget than Game of Thrones and that had far better cinematography. And Mandalorian.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The binge model introduced by Netflix is partly to blame for the 10 or even 8 episode season arcs most shows are stuck with today. I remember hearing that TV execs and producers were slowly phased out in favor of those who worked on movies. As a result these productions were expected to have higher budgets to accommodate their VFX styles. As a side effect these movie producers aren't very adept at writing in episodic formats so they basically make a very long movie that's sometimes clumsily cut up to 48 minute segments. Nowadays it's harder to find those experienced in making 24 episode seasons like before.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 19 hours ago

I also think the huge amount of competition that exists now in TV negates the ability of a 24 episode a season show to get a lot of viewers. TV shows are shorter than they used to be, but there's a lot more of them.

And many actors in them also do movies, and its unlikely that calibre of actor is going to want to sign on to 24 episodes a season shows as a main.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I just want episodic shows so I don't have to invest sixteen hours of my life if I watch one episode of a show.

It seems like every show now is a marathon single-storyline behemoth. Whatever happened to the law and order style where you can pop in, watch an episode, and that's it?

[-] UsefulInfoPlz@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

But better stories and dialogue

[-] SnotFlickerman 28 points 1 day ago

Dialogue you can actually hear without subtitles.

[-] SkyeLight@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

That's often because the number of audio channels being transmitted is a mis-match for your audio setup. I just force my tv's sound to mono.

[-] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Dang I'm gonna try this. If after years of this bullshit that solves it I'm going to lose my mind

I feel this most keenly in the reboots of sitcoms from the 90s/00s. Things like That 90s Show used to have 24 episode seasons where you could do character growth in a bottle episode. This obsession with staying in that 10 episode envelope means that the structures of the shows are so compressed, you don't attach the way these shows needed us to to make them engaging.

I also feel this with NuTrek like Strange New Worlds when they do too many concept episodes that don't move the plot and the balance of the season feels rushed since they can't let anything breathe.

[-] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

I agree! So did husband. 8 episode seasons are annoying.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

it would take nearly twenty of those 'seasons' to air the dick van dyke show's 158 episodes--a series that ran for 'only' five years. i love those older shows like that.

[-] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago
[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

7 hours (which is usually what an 8 episode season amounts to) is more than enough time to tell a good story. More episodes would just end up padding TV shows with tons of boring, tone deaf filler (see K-Drama) and if the tradeoff is worse visuals then it's an even bigger problem.

Also, does the long wait actually matter for shows like House of the Dragon? It's just a TV show, it doesn't need to take up a huge chunk of my life. I watch it and enjoy it and then I do something else, I don't need to live in the world for months.

[-] SnotFlickerman 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The frustrating thing is there are already shows with very small budgets that still don't get a lot of episodes.

It all comes down to the end of syndication and how shows just don't have same residual income stream as they used to, so there isn't a reason to make a bunch of episodes to run as re-runs on various other TV networks to make extra money after the initial run of the show.

Well, maybe not just syndication. It's also about the storage costs of high quality video and part of why some shows disappear forever: because they have such low viewing numbers that it makes more sense to free up the space for some other show with more views and more ability to retain subscribers/get new subscribers. Which in itself is an indictment of the inefficient ways the industry shares this media instead of using some sort of decentralized network protocol like bittorrent to seed the files out without necessarily needing them always centrally stored. Hell, even if it was just corporations sharing the data amongst themselves, it would still be more efficient than completely recreating the data anew in every corporate internal network.

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The incentives driving them are different.

It's more efficient to film 20+ episodes of one show than 10+ episodes each of two shows, and a single series is more likely to retain viewers over time, both of which make the longer form more appealing to broadcasters. Every time you swap out one show for another on your schedule, you have to win over the audience again.

Streaming doesn't have to fill a schedule, they just need to have something that will bring in new subscribers and retain existing ones. A new 10 episode series is about as much of a draw as a new 20 episode series. More new shows is more novelty and more chances to peak someone's interest. If something's a big hit they can give it another season. If not, it can just fill out the catalog and give the appearance of value.

[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

They're trying that with the pitt. This article kinda covers it. I think producers are thinking if we went back to 70's through 90's style visual effects and set designs it would turn people off.

Take star trek. They had the bridge, engineering, and a couple of other sets they could basically fit into one warehouse. Same with friends, Seinfeld, all the 20th century hits. Now shows are much more sprawling and vx intensive.

But yes! I would love to see a return to no frills, well written, prolific shows. I would watch the shit out of a good start trek reboot!

[-] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I’ll take worse looking tv shows with fewer episodes. Danger 5 all around!

[-] YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Sensible chuckle

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

How dare you sneak up on me with that willy-nilly improvisational gibberish, Pierre

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Get a disney subscription. I feel like they continually spit out cheaper versions of content. Its really not the cost that is the issue but putting effort/investment toward the writing and planning. What I want is well thought out and written shows that allows as much spending as is needed to get it done well. Use all the amazing stories out there now and only change the story when its necessary but not change just for the sake of change.

Opinion:

I want OTA to be the standard, not cable or streaming.

[-] SnotFlickerman 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Over the Air" is just relying on what is at this point very old technology and they keep kneecapping themselves with DRM just like internet options.

Further, there is no reason for there to not be streams of over-the-air television available on the internet for people who can't get their broadcast signals.

I have lived in two different cities that were valleys and so unless I had a 12 foot tall TV antennae on the top of my house/apartments, there was no way in hell I was getting more than one OTA channel at all anyway. The airwaves are inefficient in that capacity whereas they could be putting the exact same daily TV content online for viewers.

I see no reason why "over-the-air" can't also be "over-the-IP" for people who can't get a broadcast signal.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I just gave up on OTA. Why jump through hoops to watch TV on someone else’s schedule?

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Why? I don't even know how you could achieve that now.

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