ICE are cowards at heart. That's why they were noticeably absent from Compton. They are only brave when they have overwhelming force and firepower. If they tangled with any LA street gangs they wouldn't survive.
Their new thing is waiting outside of immigration court rooms.
All public buildings have fire extinguishers in accessible locations. If you see a conflagration, use a fire extinguisher to put it out.
A smug line to toss off. But I'm not seeing a line of people ready to confront these thugs physically.
More often than not, they operate in gangs and are quick to call reinforcements. They're armed, they're hot-headed, they're extremely dangerous to be anywhere near, and they have total disdain for criminal retribution.
I see people confronting them, just not on the TV. The revolution will not be televised.
Hey if they actually started dealing with the street gangs, I'd grab some popcorn and watch. From a distance, I don't even live in the US.
With them deporting and/or murdering a lot of people working low-end jobs... Yeah I don't think Americans want to do some of those jobs. The folks that have said raising the minimum wage would raise prices for everything are going to find out what happens if you raise the wages making sure there's no-one who would do the job.
Its genocide on US soil.
We aren't at steps 6-8, we're at 9 & 10
The genocide is started and active
1k "missing" prisoners from Alligator Auschwitz is irrefutable proof of this
What's the recourse for that? Do the surviving relatives of the disappeared sue the government? How much does that cost?
They won't go after the gangs. They might fight back.
It's too bad there doesn't seem to be a profit to the cartel gangs to come out and fight the ICE gangs. They'd win if they did.
they are mostly in mexico though, and i heard prices of cocaine dropped because trump pulled most of BORDER police out to fight assist ICE. leading to unabated drug trafficking.
And the rest would be fighting the MAGA crowd...
they also have GUNS, are much prone to using it. ice hires very out of shape people on undefended people, not people that will shoot at the moments notice.
My mayor, Keith Wilson of Portland, made a great point over the weekend in the midst of Trump's attack on the city that's stuck with me.
To paraphrase, since I've heard multiple versions of it, "Imagine if instead he sent hundreds of engineers, hundreds of teachers, or hundreds of addiction specialists."
Trump has no interest in improving America, only in being a strongman dictator.
To paraphrase, since I’ve heard multiple versions of it, “Imagine if instead he sent hundreds of engineers, hundreds of teachers, or hundreds of addiction specialists.”
We treat these professions as a public cost that drags the economy with debt and taxes. By contrast, ICE and the National Guard are always somehow paid for with free money.
There's never anything in the budget for engineers or teachers or physicians. Only armed thugs.
Trump has no interest in improving America, only in being a strongman dictator.
Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.
The problem is the local yokels outside the city don’t see this as a good point, but as him being a sniveling fool who needs a Real Man like Trump to run his city. And that’s because they have a very different worldview.
Most same people, like us, see being bad or good as something you do, and as such, with proper care and help and education you can do better.
They, on the other hand, see bad and good as something you are, a sort of fundamental birth stat that can never change. That’s why they think these ICE raids are a good thing, that’s why they want prisons to just be wholly punitive, that’s why they’re fine with writing off whole groups. Because those people are Bad, and so they will always do Bad Things, and only naive fools think that Bad People can become Good.
The really troubling part of their worldview, though, is a lot of them seem to think Bad radiates out from these people/groups and infects things around them.
They, on the other hand, see bad and good as something you are, a sort of fundamental birth stat that can never change.
Holy shit. Thank you for this. You have no idea how long I've been looking for a more succinct explanation for this whole mess.
It would explain a lot, wouldn't it?
No matter what a republican does, it's good. No matter what a democrat does, it's bad. I'm not even going to get into the whole issue of how democrats are still center-right and there's no true left in the US (not a politically relevant one, anyway - I know people with opinions exist).
It's why Trump being on the Epstein list is no big deal - but Biden investing money into, among other things, green energy - which caused more American jobs to be created - was a bad thing.
Yeah, it’s seems the only way they think that stat can change is if you ‘find God’. Because only an all-powerful God can change an inherent stat.
I think that’s also why they so readily believe that you can ‘pray the gay away’. It’s not because they don’t believe being LGBTQ+ isn’t inherently a birth thing; it’s because they already know God can change Bad People to Good People so obviously he can take other ‘Badness’ away too.
Fascists will never solve real problems. They need them to persist to keep exploiting the fear and the scapegoating. They’re never responsible, they only point and blame
They’re never responsible, they only point and blame
Funny you should mention it, the support for far right parties in several European countries collapsed once they get into government. Turns out they are all bark and no human articulation. But it is risky to just let the far right take power and let them make mistakes for everyone to see, as we are seeing right now in America.
They arrested on duty wild fire firefighters
Lmao, imagine ICE in a gang shootout.
They are prob banned from doing so as they would risk exposing their weakness.
It's impossible not to see them as storm troopers in literally every way
Ah, yes, the galaxy's elite fighting force.
Lmao, imagine ICE in a gang shootout.
Liberal fantasies. This is one way that Biden simply carried the torch for Trump.
Fascists always go after the weak and the poor. They're just coward pieces of shit.
To our eyes int the UK, I think many see this as it is. A completely unlawful horror. A significant minority, and growing, are however buying into overtly blaming migrants, brown, black etc. for anything. My family, friends and community are recieving increasingly open comments for being brown, with specific abusive terms. It is getting ugly.
Nothing good was ever achieved by emulating the US. I would think the UK would be smarter than that.
The UK has had its own racism problem for a long time now (honestly, have they ever NOT had a racism problem? They were slightly less racist than the US though, in that they abolished slavery much earlier). They exited the EU to get rid of all the immigrants. You know, the ones doing all the jobs they didn't want to do, for less money than they'd want for it.
Bunch of fucking cowards, all of them. I hope history remembers them as so.
I hope history forgets them and remembers their acts.
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These kinda libs attacking "street gangs" are fascist enablers. Police bootlickers. Worthless.
Liberals like this are why we have fascism.
That was your first thought wasnt it?
You are so close yet so far.
Obviously they continue to validate everything we’ve been saying for the last 25 years. It’s disgusting. And they’ve honestly kind of changed my position on immigration a bit in the sense that in the past, I might have said we should deport hardcore criminals.
if you want to take away people's rights away you can't just do a blanket infringement on everyone immediately; there would be too much resistance. you have to start with the most powerless and marginalized. then you can expand step by step.
But I thought good ol' god-fearin' true 'murican white folk were going to rush to fill those jobs now that they're available?
Are you telling me that Trump of all people didn't weigh out the consequences of his idiot actions?
When has he ever?
They're defense is an old 60 year old mother who works 3 jobs has "ties to MS-13". Only the "bad ones" are being deported. Right? RIiiiiight.
They forgot "people who put food on our tables "
When you have numeric targets to reach, you aim for easy targets first. Everything that before was just a warning now is an arrest. You are leaving the country at the airport? Wait! You overstayed your visa by one week, you're under arrest!
ice, a bunch of cheap waffle fed fat dumb failed excuses for human beings loaded to their jiggly fat tits with armaments, who would most likely shoot their foot off if they ever were brave enough to pull out their weapon when their is someone on the other side also with a gun. ice vermin only go after those they perceive as weak and have no weapons.
an actual street gang, drug gang, would be much harder to find and much more violent, if they were dealling with SOY BOY ICE.
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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