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submitted 5 days ago by Wahots@pawb.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Aside from men being horny in the 1800s, and this being a holdover since that time, is there any actual reason why this hasn't changed?

If society was dominated by women, would this be more likely to change?

I was sweating my ass off hiking in the hot sun, and the question has been bothering me all day after my top soaked through with sweat.

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[-] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 54 points 4 days ago

In much of Europe and North America, female toplessness is legal. As for why women don't take advantage of it when exercising, breast movement varies from annoyance to uncomfortable and throwing off momentum depending upon size. As a result, many women exercise wearing what is most convenient: a sports-bra top. However, concerns about harassment are sadly valid.

Women are the majority of voting age adults, but they aren't a homogeneous group voting exclusively on gender. 45% of women voted for Trump in 2024.

As a male who exercises in high heat on occasion (35-38c), I have never once thought that I'd rather be naked. I wear breathable, light colored clothing. I also wear a top. Sun burns aren't healthy.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago

breast movement varies from annoyance to uncomfortable

As a teenager and young woman, not being able to find a good super supportive sports bra for my weird size was one of the reasons I stopped trying to exercise.

I still hold my boobs automatically when taking the stairs or when I run somewhere. Otherwise it hurts and feels like my breasts are being torn away from my body.

[-] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'm sorry you gave up exercise because of this. Female friends telling me the same is what inspired me to write the response. One was an amazing long distance runner who had breast reduction surgery in high school so she could continue her passion.

Sports bras are a necessary evil for many women. It's not a societal restriction but a physical preference for less discomfort.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Kudos to your friend going through with a reduction to pursue her passion!

In my case, I have a very small band width, so I cannot shop in regular stores. (In my city, there is exactly one shop that has my size.) As a teen and young woman, I simply didn't have the money to even consider a 50€ sports bra, let alone a 100€+ one. And since the selection is super limited, I didn't even find one in my size that would - no matter the money - give enough support for comfort.

Funnily enough, regular wired bras with cups still ended up giving better support than any sports bra I could find. But they still only work so well. (And I, by far, wasn't as passionate about sports as to get a reduction, or spend my limited bra money on a semi working, ugly sports bra.)

[-] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

My friend was committed, but it helped that it was not uncommon for larger endowed teens where I grew up. Doctors openly discussed the option and it was covered by government health insurance.

I can sympathize with the difficulty of finding the right size. It wasn't until my wife traveled to her country of ancestry and measured at a department store in her 20s that she finally obtained her first bras that truly fit. They still weren't cheap. I think that is when I learned the burden of what is, for most, a medical support garment.

And that is what I find so frustrating. Bras should be treated like a medical device: basic models that fit well should be covered by government health care. The 200-400% markup in most prices is outrageous, and there would be a positive return for society with women more confident in more activities.

Of course, I live in the United States, so we've regressed to the point of figuring out whether dying of communicable diseases is bad.

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[-] teolan@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

In many countries in public spaces women can be topless wherever men can. Sadly it doesn't mean they feel safe/comfortable doing so.

[-] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago

They can, but harassment from men keeps lots of women from doing so. We already get harassed when we're covered.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Because of creeps, freaks, and prudes

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

As a cis male, I'm totally in favor of this idea.

In fact, I went to school in Germany and I was throwing a frisbee with some friends in the park. It was a beautiful summer day, which was rare, and I retrieved the disc that landed near an attractive young lady sunning herself topless. I still think of her fondly.

[-] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

And this comment is why women often do not go topless, even if the laws in a country allow it.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ummm, I really don't like the way you said that. I would like to point out that I was 14 years old at the time and there's quite a difference between seeing something like that and becoming some kind of sexual predator. The human body doesn't seem to be quite the shameful thing in Europe as it is in the US. If we (assuming you are from the US) weren't so perfectly comfortable with violence and gore while simultaneously so puritanical about sexuality, you probably wouldn't feel that way. And finally I do believe it's a bit unreasonable for ANYONE male, female or otherwise to remove one's shirt in public and expect literally no one to look at you. The point should be that it doesn't MATTER if someone looks. Until this is the case, maybe shirts should just stay on.

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[-] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Man here

If you ladies wanna walk around shirtless at the gym and work out I personally have no objection and I promise I won't say a word to you.

However you are going get looks, a lot of them.

[-] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 91 points 5 days ago

They also don’t want to be photographed and end up with their tits all over social media. Places where this used to be routine (European beaches and so on) there is a lot less of this than 30 years ago. Another thing mobiles phones and social media have made worse

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[-] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago

You know, I've been in places with lots of nudity, and for the first day or so all you want to do is look. Then after that you stop looking and it just becomes normal. I imagine if women going topless was more common, guys would not look any more than they currently do.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

There was a movement to decriminalise women being topless (because it is actively criminalised in a lot of places). Unfortunately it's fallen off. It's particularly ridiculous because women are the ones who have an actual need to expose their breasts in public, ie some women need to breastfeed—no men need to.

Some people get turned on seeing topless men but it's not a sex crime for men to be shirtless in public. Free the nipple 2025

[-] drq@mastodon.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

@communism

> Some people get turned on seeing topless men

If someone sees my torso and gets aroused, why is it my problem? Moreover, why is this even a problem at all?

You get hots from other people? Congratulations, you're human.

All of this is such a non-issue. And it's just to keep women down.

@Wahots

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

Some people get turned on seeing topless men but it’s not a sex crime for men to be shirtless in public.

This is the thing that really bothered me. It's so one-sided. Perhaps people won't be comfortable doing it, for various reasons, but the legal limitation is what actually irritates me. One silver lining is that a lot of places are starting to allow it, even if culturally, it hasn't picked up yet.

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[-] observes_depths@aussie.zone 39 points 5 days ago

For what it's worth I think it's kinda weird for other guys to not wear a shirt in public, like dude what are you doing, put your shirt on.

[-] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago

Honestly I hate this take, saying everyone should have a to cover up to me is just was weird as saying one group should have to. There is literally no explanation you can give for this position that isn't a personal problem you should get over.

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[-] ada 41 points 5 days ago

In my experience (as a trans woman who has experienced both sides of this coin), I can no longer get away with being topless in most situations. However, I can get away with wearing less in more situations. It's acceptable for me to wear a short cut, sleeveless tank top or boob tube in situations where it would be difficult for a guy to wear a singlet or other sleeveless top.

[-] princessnorah 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I am personally very upset that on some specific day during my transition, it was no longer acceptable for me to be shirtless in public. During summer I get consent from visitors to my house, and have my housemates consent, to* go shirtless at home.

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[-] switcheroo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

You know why. What the heck kind of question is that?

Men. That's why.

[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago

Tbh, I'd much prefer if no one did.

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[-] dil@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

I personally don't want a boner at the gym, I really wish men only gyms were a thing

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Dude. If have enough remaining brainpower to ogle women at the gym and enough blood flow to spare to give you a boner I can assure you you're barely working out.

Learn to focus.

That said, being topless (for both men and women) in a gym is gross. Don't leave sweat everywhere. The question is for running outside...

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[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You can learn self-control.

[-] the_elder@midwest.social 10 points 3 days ago

Teach, don't preach. This things got a mind of it's own. If you know how to turn off my doppelwanger don't keep it to yourself.

I've gotten rock hard looking at sand. Fucking sand. Don't tell me we can control it.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

If you're actually working out you don't have blood flow to spare to have a boner...

And if as you say you can have a boner looking at sand it and don't control it it seems to me like having topless women around shouldn't influence that much the odds you get a boner.

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[-] dil@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

I'm a grower, I wear boxer briefs, it's just all around uncomfortable to get aroused in public lol, it's not a choice personally, if I could have no sexual feelings when outside id be down actually, men also have to wear shirts at my gym, think its a common rule

[-] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Reading the comments made me wonder how people react to elderly people in a female body and those considered unattractive who go topless. It's probably still harassment?

[-] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah. We don't get harassed because those men find us attractive. It's because they want to make us uncomfortable.

[-] birdwing 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Vice versa, they can't wear skirts for hot days, but gals can.

The answer is imho, holdovers from more sexist days, and a general attitude of not wanting to be seen as effeminate/photographed by creeps.

Even though guys have been wearing kilts for many years, in various cultures; and there's AI slop now anyway that keeps 'em busy instead.

Iirc it's also allowed in some countries. Naturism is bigger in them.

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[-] Damarus@feddit.org 32 points 5 days ago

I would prefer if men didn't do that either.

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

I live in Ontario, Canada, where it's perfectly legal for women to be topless.

I've never actually seen anyone exercise that right (at least in person), but it's a right.

[-] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Legally it's allowed but socially it isn't. We can't go topless without being endlessly harassed and probably assaulted. It was bad enough when I walked home with my bikini top after going swimming.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Legally, a lot of places it's been court tested, and you actually can. Culturally, it's just kind of that way. Hair is banned in Arabia, tits can hang out in Papua New Guinea. The West says no boobs but hair is fine.

A genital covering is the only cultural universal, although it can sometimes be overly revealing by Western standards, like with penis gourds.

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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

Aside from men being horny in the 1800s

Men aren't horny now?

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