Has there been evidence he's Christian and conservative/republican? I know his family is, but that's not really enough.
I'm not attacking the point being made, I just haven't seen any evidence, and would certainly like to.
Not Christian, Mormon which is actually quite the distinction here.
And just because he was raised Mormon does not mean he still follows the faith of his parents.
Evidence he was strictly conservative is slim. There is good commentary about this over on (slight retch) reddit in /r/exmormon including the violent aspects of Mormon scripture and how many Mormons hate both Democrats and Republicans.
Mormons are very conservative. Especially in Utah. They do not hate Republicans, and regularly endorse them and their policies at the pulpit and encourage the congregation to do the same.
It's arguable that many of them are so conservative that they hate the Republicans for not being far enough extreme right.
Mormons are Christians though. Just because some other Christians don't want them in their club doesn't make their flavor of Jesus worship less valid.
That's like saying "Christians are actually Jewish though. Just because some other Jews don't want them in their club doesn't make their flavor of worship less valid."
They literally have their own holy books that don't exist for other flavors of Christianity, just as Christianity has their own holy books that don't exist for Judaism.
Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died on the cross and was resurrected three days later. Do Mormons not believe this?
So do Muslims. Jesus is to the Quran and the Book of Mormon what Moses is to the New Testament. A recognized prophet, but not the prophet because god apparently felt the need to send a new one down to earth to clarify a few things.
I don't personally give a shit as I'm not even remotely religious, but the only reason Mormons pretend to be a Christian sect is because it's politically convenient to them as a US religious minority to "blend in" better. The more you learn about their beliefs, the more you realize they might be further apart from Christianity than Christianity is from Judaism.
Mormons also believe that what most Christians concieve of as God, is actually more of just the local demigod of this Solar System, not the entire universe, who comes from a line of other demigods before him, not being the uh, uncreated creator that existed prior to the universe itself, and has domain over all of it.
Reminds me of Dragon Ball Z.
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Further, should you be a good and proper enough Mormon, you get to go to the super duper highest level of the top 1/3rd of Mormon afterlife outcomes, whereby you too can become a local demigod of your own solar system!
... If you are a man.
You have to be a married man to pull this off, get the secret Temple names with the underwear and all that, donate a LOT to the Church... but wifey... nah she does not get a shot at becoming a demigod, she's just a demigod's wife.
Basically no other Christians believe that any man can become godlike.
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Mormons also don't believe in the Trinity.
Their idea of Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit is more or less that they are all seperate and distinct entities, not triune paradox of simultaneous distinction and indistinction.
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Beyond the more ... historical fan fiction type additions to the existing lore, fucking with those three core tenets is sufficient for most American Christians to deem Mormons as sacreligious heretics.
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To try and wrap this around:
Just because all Dragon Ball Z fans believe Goku 'killed' Frieza on Namek...
Does not mean they all consider Dragonball GT to be canon.
The Old Testament is literally the Jewish Tanakh re-arranged and plus or minus some books (depending on translation/edition). Only the New Testament is fully strictly Christian
Do Christians believe that Indigenous Americans are the "Lost Children of Israel" who came to the Americas over the land bridge in Alaska and that Jesus appeared to them here in the Americas?
Because Mormons believe that, and they have an entire holy book dedicated to ideas like that beyond the New Testament just as the New Testament is beyond the Tanakh.
I honestly think Christians and Mormons would take offense to this characterization with how different their belief systems truly are while being rooted in the same ideas. Just as Jewish and Christians would take offense to being compared in the same way.
I mean, I hate fucking religion too, dawg, but this ain't it.
Not all Christians study the same Bible, are they not all Christian?
As an ex Mormon i would consider Mormons Christian. All religion is made up anyway.
I just realized that telling people who identify as Christian that they can't be real Christians because of XYZ is a really silly thing to be saying on this forum.
Also straight? How tf you know that?
Well since there was an engraved bullet that said "if you read this you're gay LMAO" it means he had to have read it at some point while engraving it ergo he is gay. /s
This is baseless speculation as no one can be sure if he said "no homo" while making the engraving.
Its not enough to just say it while engraving it. Any time following its creation if he had happened to see it without saying "no homo" first, the State would be forced to recognize him as gay. I don't make the rules here. This isn't just baseless speculation, there are statistics that back this up:
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Prior generations that didn't have this phrasing as part of their subculture were naturally protected as evidenced by the low representation in the Silent Generation as well as Boomers. However with GenX this is where it entered the mainstream and the numbers bear this out. Young millennials and certainly GenZ simply weren't prepared and as such have been hit the hardest as the data shows. /s
AP News reported he was not a republican but racialized by Kirk's hate speech. Everything else seems spot on.
The christian stuff is debatable since it hasn't been pointed out yet. Just bc your family is, doesn't mean you are. However, it is safe to say he has been taught those values
For that matter, does it really matter what group he was a part of? Theres a tendency to try to declare anyone that has done anything objectionable as being part of a group one doesnt like, or at the very least not part of one's ingroup, but that's a bit pointless.
If a group it large enough its more or less statistically certain that it will contain whatever sort of horrible people you can think of, and this includes things like the group of people with roughly the same political alignment as you. Whatever you support or believe in, if it isnt incredibly niche and rare, there are going to be murders, rapists, bigots, and whoever else is terrible out there who agree with you.
It doesnt make sense to fret over that, or to take the existence of one such guy as an argument that a position must be wrong somehow. If a position inherently requires such things, like the position of someone advocating genocide, or if it inherently increases the risks that excess deaths will happen, like with an anti-vaxxer, one can point those things out and say that the position leads to harmful societal outcomes. But the ideology of an individual murderer is almost irrelevant to if the rest of the holders of that position have a point or not.
Morally and logically, it doesn't matter what boxes the shooter checks. In terms of how it will be used in politics, it matters a great deal. It shouldn't, but it does.
This is all I could find that hasn’t been retracted (yet):
The quiet street where Robinson lived with his parents is now the subject of intense scrutiny. Officers from the Washington City Police Department kept media and neighbors on the other side of the street.
Neighbors were largely tight-lipped about the family, but many of those who spoke with USA TODAY focused on the family’s faith – they are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are known as Mormons.
And that faith helped lead to Robinson’s capture.
Luckily, your President and members of Congress didn't just knee-jerk feelings and assumptions and stuck to facts. It'd be really embarrassing if they just went on national TV and assumed and spread mis-information.
I'm sure all the networks will issue a complete apology in legalese after a long infomercial at 3am on Tuesday morning. Damage done. Nothing corrected. Right wingers will continue to believe he was trans, black antifa. Just like the would be trump assassin.
Sad case of white on white violence.
Many such cases.
i know it gets forgotten but the shooter in evergreen was also a white cis male radicalised conservative with white supremacist and anti semitic views who glorified columbine.
Let's gloat about this.
The "unhinged radicals" this whole time have been the Republicans scaring people with totally unfounded claims of a trans uprising, calling to use the government to silence the left, getting people fired for posting that Kirk kinda had it coming, fighting each other at vigils, chanting "white men fight back".
And this whole time we kinda knew it wasn't the left. That this moronic clown wasn't worth wasting perfectly good bullets on. We just waited for everyone to find out.
I don't know who did it. But every patron yesterday at my bar who was spouting off or saying enough is enough, or what is this world coming to, yada yada yada were all real quiet about the whole thing today.
It was a blessed night. Busy. My body is screaming at me. But there was no political talk. Everyone was behaving themselves and besides the one dude I had to kick out yesterday showing up again, it was all around much better.
It almost hurts restraining myself from saying "where's all that shit talking now? Enough is still enough, right!? RIGHT?"
But when I'm working, I'm working. Maybe one day I'll get to be the drunk idiot.
Correction: Registered with no political party, but everything else seems correct.
Edit: https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/12/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-suspect-shooting-facts/
The "Republican" was a different, older, person.
I'm pretty sure he has no great love for fascists.
The checklist is cute but it's wrong.
The fascist thing on the bullets is a direct reference to Helldivers 2 which is a canonically Starship Troopers (the movie) style universe where the fascists who run Super Earth refer to themselves as a democracy while calling their enemies fascist.
This one could go either way, honestly.
Helldivers 2 is an anti-fascist game, but because you play as the baddies, not everyone has the media literacy to understand that.
He had Bella Ciao on one casing. That's an antifascist anthem.
There is also some evidence that Bella Ciao was being used as an inside joke style meme by the Nick Fuentes-related groypers.
Once again, inconclusive.
It's a HOI4 meme. Just like the Helldivers reference, it's just terminally online gamer shit.
You seem to have a rather binary world view. The world is not black and white; anybody who fails to move past such a juvenile perspective is part of the problem.
In other words, your over simplification is not cute, and is also wrong.
The kid reportedly left a bullet casing with "Hey fascist! Catch!" engraved on it, and he killed a fascist.
I don't really know what kind of nuance you want me to display here. It's pretty black and white: the kid was 200% antifa and the checklist is factually wrong.
That's a Helldivers 2 reference actually, because right after that quote is a code for a bomb drop from the game.
Helldivers 2 is a Starship Troopers style universe where clearly you work for the bad guys and the bad guys call their enemies fascists.
So it's not clearly anti-fascist as much as it is internet edgelord.
Okay, I admit I'm ignorant of modern internet and gaming lore.
But what do you make of the fact that he shot a fucking fascist? That's not a video game reference now, is it?
I can't make anything of it because some Mormons are more extreme right wing than the Republican party, and there's a possibility he was attacking from that angle.
How are they spinning this now? Will they say that “the shooter didn’t disagree with Kirk’s ideology, therefore this was not ‘politically motivated violence’, and also this must mean nothing is wrong with Kirk’s ~~hate~~ speech.” Then they dismiss the kid as being mentally ill, and everyone move along, nothing more to see here.
Or maybe he was secretly trans Muslim antifa, and that they are hiding amongst them in their own ranks. That would be kind of funny. Though it would end up getting more dangerous.
Or they have a better spin?
One I've seen posted a bunch is, this guy was a wholesome religious conservative who was radicalised and indoctrinated when he went to uni...which he dropped out of after one semester
A fucking Groyper too. Fucking love it.
Authoritarian rule is always threatened by other authoritarians.
It's a mental illness. That's the only way authoritarianism can actually be a thing. It has to be a mental illness.
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