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Can we stop trying to beatify this psychopath? It's possible to be against violence and still condemn Kirk and his violent legacy.

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[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 170 points 3 weeks ago

I'm against political violence but as Kirk would say about a raped woman that was wearing a short skirt "what did he expect?"

Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 28 points 3 weeks ago

The time for being "against political violence" as a general concept is long passed.

One side has violence against anyone but themselves as their only policy. Fascism doesn't surrender to reasoned argument, law or elections.

[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's certainly on the very limit of when it should be used but for whatever it means, Kirk was just a hateful person. As far as I'm aware he didn't actually murder anyone but in the current climate, what did he expect?

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

He was certainly influential enough on the wrong side of the wrong topics that putting some lost lives on him wouldn't be remiss.

[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

There's. I love lost from me. It'd just be nice if it hadn't gotten like this in the first place but some people love to hate

[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

*no love lost

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

He didn't directly murder people, but the ideas and beliefs he spread did. I mean, at the very least his Covid conspiracy theories were killing people.

[-] criss_cross@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Every thread I see a new shit take from this dude. It’s like a nesting doll of poo.

Man really left a garbage legacy.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Believed gun deaths were a good thing, didn't believe in empathy. My joy that he's gone is right in line with his beliefs!

[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

A win win for everyone

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Being "against political violence" is defending the status quo. Kirk's opinion on guns wasn't problematic at all and fucking liberals acting like that was his problem disgust me.

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 53 points 3 weeks ago
[-] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 39 points 3 weeks ago

Nazis should be shot.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 20 points 3 weeks ago

Many people should be shot, especially Kirk, especially Trump, especially many other shitty evil people.

[-] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

fascists need to be shot

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago

Don't post pictures of text. Just type it

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

Was never elected nor held office so never a politician, just a hate monger.

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 34 points 3 weeks ago

he was a propagandist

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 35 points 3 weeks ago

I haven’t been this elated since Luigi.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

We need more good news like this more frequently

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's entirely possible to simultaneously be horrified by his murder, feel deep sympathy for his family, and be glad he's no longer in the world.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 9 points 3 weeks ago

I’m glad he’s dead, I feel legitimate joy from the act.

[-] Hayduke@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Right there with ya. Truly sucks for him and the family but I’m glad he isn’t spreading his hateful, racist, misogynist shit anymore. It’s a shame he didn’t stop earlier.

I love how they titled the article as a direct retort to the NYC’s fucking idiotic platforming of a fascist sympathizer.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 22 points 3 weeks ago

It's impossible to be against violence and say anything good about that two bit hateful grifter.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That is perfectly the point. I am against violence and Kirk was a piece of shit who we should feel free to condemn for the harm he was causing right up to his last moments.

Klein's fawning whitewashing of Kirk's dishonest tactics is, if we are being exceptionally charitable, naïve.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Kirk was a radical right-wing extremist. Groomed though he may have been (well, that hair was terrible), he just spewed hate speech.

[-] neuracnu 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A few hours before this article was published Jason Koebler at 404 Media published something remarkably similar:

https://www.404media.co/charlie-kirk-was-not-practicing-politics-the-right-way/

[-] frezik 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's riffing off an article Ezra Klein wrote with the headline "Kirk was practicing politics the right way". Klein wrote this because his brain is full of cheese.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oh my god!!!! He was a psychopath!!!!

I love that psychopath is included in this article.

Of course, the main purpose of posts by Russian trolls is to incite arguments among different groups or ideologies: conservatives versus liberals, pro-life versus pro choice, pro-immigrant groups versus border wall enthusiasts, etc. Researchers say as outrageous as much of this content appears to be, Americans can’t help but to click.

After analyzing over 2,500 of these Russian posts, researchers discovered they generated clickthrough rates as much as nine times higher than the norm in digital advertising campaigns. In a rather poor reflection of human nature, it seems that controversy, lies, and fear mongering do very much equal clicks.

Interestingly, ads that used flat out racist language didn’t do well, but posts that were threatening or contained verbiage like “terrorist,” “sissy,” “idiot,” and “psychopath” did do very well. Ads that invoked fear and anger performed the best, according to the research team.

https://studyfinds.org/study-russian-trolls-supremely-effective-at-exploiting-american-fear-anger-online/

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

You should gander through my post history before levying accusations.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know what your intentions are, you could have just been brought into it unknowingly. I apologize if you're not on that side. Your post still has the same outcome.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Look, your heart is in the right place, but your entire premise is built on a single word choice in my post about a man worthy of every ounce of scorn I can muster. Take a step back and realze that me being angry about mainstream media outlets like NYT and MSNBC falling over themselves to honor this vile man isn't evidence of anything more than that. You have misread this situation.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

So? What the hell is your point?

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Oh boy, another one with Russia Russia Russia brainworm. Take some responsibility for your own country's despicable culture and downfall.

[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ezra Klein sucks. Has always sucked, will always suck.

[-] livejamie@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

He's so confusing. Sometimes he'll say something and I'll think he's based, but most of the time it's awful.

It certainly isn't consistent, that's for sure.

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