I feel like THIS is retributive violence. Democratic politicians were earlier shot dead in their homes, so I'd say that republicans (who are themselves endorsing political violence) shouldn't be able to feel safe either.
The Republicans are only going to talk about violence against them. They have a victim mentality and Charlie boy is now a martyr.
I don't think his name will linger in memory very long. The pro gun crowd doesn't care when people die, they just don't. And they'll happily use his name for a little while, but it's not like they actually valued his life any more than they value the lives of the children who die from routine school shootings every year. They'll forget about him soon enough.
It's sad to say that, too. We'd like to imagine that these gun lunatics have some sense of empathy with their political allies, or other humans in general, but many of them just don't. And because they don't feel that at all, they can't even fake it, not for long.
Kirk promoted gun violence to justify the 2nd amendment. It would be poetic justice if the killer was someone whose loved one died from gun violence and chose to give him a taste of his own opinion.
Bruh... We are in for an explosion of political violence... Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
i switched over from reddit recently and this post makes me here to stay. Got a loud laugh out of me after reading all the undeserved sympathy this guy was getting.
I've been wondering for awhile now - at what point do ppl just start killing these fucking ppl. I guess that's today. Hopefully this a lesson/reminder in why you don't treat your fellow man like fucking dogshit, cause they just might tear your fucking throat out!
I feel for all the people who will have to live with the fear and trauma of witnessing this. I’m glad nobody else was hurt. This type of violence is a consequence of our gun-obsessed and highly politically polarized culture, which Kirk had a massive hand in making worse. I hope we can focus on the damage his rhetoric has caused and those who were taken in by him can use this as a learning moment.
Yeah, what is up with our gun-obsessed culture anyhow? Switzerland for example has about as many guns per person as we do, but they’re not nutso gun worshippers like we are. What gives?
Switzerland requires training courses and other regulations we don't have have afaik, though not an expert, which likely helps a lot.
America as a non homogenous society, and always has been rife with divisions as well. These divisions easily, even subconsciously stoke fear into people, prompting a bigger draw towards self defense.
Early pioneer spirit also drilled it into the American consciousness. Needed a gun to defend your farm/animals from predators or other people when law enforcement didn't exist or was hours away back in the day. Also leads to guns being in the family, needing back ups, a gun for every able bodied person etc ...
So a big culture of self defense being the only viable defense for much of American history, consistent concerns about the "others" (for a large chunk of time also includes slave revolts), and relatively lax requirements (stemming from the other reasons mentioned) and boom. Crazy gun obsessed culture.
Someone said “he died as he lived: talkin’ out the side of his neck.”
Perfection.
dude had a big face or small face depending on how you define face, i see why the shooter didn't want to overcomplicate and went for the neck
If he got shot in the head - no vital organs would've been hit tho.
If they were shooting at the face, they would have misjudged the distance.
I have to admit, the Republicans were right about the second amendment. We need to be (legally) buying guns and (legally) protesting with them.
It was while he was being asked about gun violence that he was shot, the student says.
Unbelievable.
Specifically, he was in the middle of spinning a question about mass shootings into a dog whistle about "gang violence".
mass shootings committed by trans people, specifically
The order of events as I've been seeing online:
Videos circulating on social media showed an attender at the student event on Wednesday asking Charlie Kirk: “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?”
In response, Kirk said: “Too many,” as the crowd clapped.
In a follow-up question, the attender asked: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
Kirk replied: “Counting or not counting gang violence?”
His last act on earth was cracking a joke about how only queers and poors are involved in gun violence, at which point he was shot.
Thanks for extra context. These people really don't seem to care about others suffering. Also I don't normally hear gang violence and mass shooters together. Gang violence is generally targeted and not focused on the most amount of bodies.
Regardless I'm getting tired of this all, and it's likely only beginning.
It's a regularly used debate tactic of the right. He was going to imply that whatever number the student came up with for mass shootings was inflated because the criteria was too vague and erroneously counts gang violence. He would then have used this to simultaneously downplay the seriousness of mass shootings and suggest that trans people represent a larger proportion of mass shooters than they actually do. It was his way of discrediting the argument that the student was making; that trans people are actually underrepresented in the population of mass shooters. The reason for the student making this argument - if you don't know - is that Charlie Kirk has blamed trans people for mass shootings in the past, jumping on the conservative bandwagon that always transvestigates mass shooters because they believe they are a trans conspiracy.
I think it was the asker who also said "great." sarcastically when gang violence was mentioned (just before the shot), adding to the timing.
Some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to hhh-uh-kkuggg...
🤌
Fuck around and find out.
Video of Charlie's callous attitude toward the victims of gun violence + him finding out (NSFW NSFL)
Fountain of blood is an understatement. It looked like special effects. The guy went out like a DOOM villain. He died gargling on his own blood.
The onion had a good headline, 'Charlie Kirk loses gun control debate by a longshot'
They’re already committing violence. It’s just directed against brown people, we shouldn’t forget that. The level they expand and escalate it to is what’s up for debate.
Lol.
So long asshole.
Ran your mouth one day too long.
I give up. Are they gonna post the answer later? How does this work?
I don't know a lot about him, I'm not US American.
I condemn violence in general but a person like him who helps polarize society, pours oil in the fire etc. may just reap what he sowed.
That's what you get, with culture war nonsense and playing sides of the political spectrum against each other. Strange to assume this would just stay rhetoric.
Main difference between him and someone else fueling the fire is the irony.
He specifically supported people bringing guns to schools wiith quotes that essentially boil down to "Gun violence happens but we just have to live with it to protect our god given rights."
He was the reason he could get shot.
Dude, I watched a youtube video of local news stations reporting over the shooting. The youtube comments are completely deranged and 100% written by AI. Somehow charlie kirk is being equated to MLK Jr.
Oh no, anyway
It’s ironic to mention retributive violence while advocating against people’s rights to be armed to defend themselves.
Nobody is advocating for murder or murderers. While I dislike reddit, /r/DGU is typically very illustrative as to why it’s so important.
I hope - sincerely - to never need to defend myself or my family.
That doesn’t mean you get to disarm me so that some murderers can ignore the law and kill people anyway.
Murder is strictly the illegal killing of someone.
If it is legal to target a minority group it may be illegal for that minority group to resist.
You can end up with a situation where Alice killing Bob is legal and not murder, but Bob killing Alice in self defence is murder.
In such cases the morality of Bob engaging in self defense is not so easily encompassed in "murder is wrong."
So from a historical context:
A Nazi killing a Jew during WWII was not murder but a Jew killing a Nazi was.
A modern perspective:
A Israeli killing Palestinians is not murder, but a Palestinians killing Isrealis is.
I'm a pro-2A gun owner, I suspect you may not be reading the meme the way I intended / expected.
How many people have been snatched off the street and disappeared to secret prisons recently? Those people I am concerned about, this bigoted asshole eating lead while spewing bullshit…not at all. There is violence going on already and while I don’t wish for more deaths, there is no rehabilitation for a Nazi
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