So when are you planning on going out to actually prosecute that revolution you're memeing about? Because I'm seeing a lot of memes and not a lot of stringing fascists up by their ankles.
"Me" is also one of the "grey NPCs" sooo
How'd "not voting to punish the dems" work last time?
It's really weird to blame individuals for the failures of an organization. They can plan and change and strategize. The random voter your screaming at is a void. Stop being angry at the void, be angry at the thing that can actually change and do something.
voting only works if you also put in the work after the fact. When biden got elected, suddenly all the political fervor of the previous ~4 years vanished. And, assuming we get out of the current morass in one piece, it's likely that all the uproar going on now will similarly disappear once "our guy" is in the oval office again.
Voting is the least any person can do, but without pounding the pavement and going out and doing the legwork, it's just a bone they throw to us so we shut up. It happens every time, in every presidential election I can remember, and yet there are still people out here saying "but dae vote or dont complain!!:!:!:!:!"!"!"!?!!:!L!". It's insulting.
There are few, if any, actually effective political movements that relied solely on officially approved political avenues to achieve anything. The Civil Rights movement in the US didn't merely vote until the federal government deigned them worthy of being treated like human beings; they got out in the streets and demanded equality. The Indian Independence movement didn't succeed by only appealing to the official colonial political apparatus using whatever methods were allowed them. They went and earned it.
So, whenever the liberal voting bloc is ready to stop letting themselves be politically infantilized by the electoral process, get at me.
"Resistance theater" is a great term.
It's also a term describing the protest non-voters.
"I'm not owned, you're owned!" as the poster turned into a corn cob
Make your own party. Go. Do something.
I've got a solution, get rid of Facebook and Fox News in your Maga people's lives. Put parental controls on their TVs if you can and try to convince them that Fox News was bought out or something. It's the constant deluge of bullshit that's causing this.
MAX FISHER: The places where Facebook usage - not general internet usage, but specifically Facebook usage - was significantly above the average for Germany, the number of attacks on refugees was also well above the average.
SHAPIRO: That's author Max Fisher, who writes about this research in his new book, "The Chaos Machine." It's not just that violence against refugees went up in places where people used Facebook a lot. The researchers also looked at outages - Facebook disruptions - and they found that when the platform went offline in a specific place, attacks against refugees in that community dropped.
FISHER: Extended time on social media is addictive, and it changes your behavior, and it changes the way that your mind works. And it does that in a consistent direction towards more outrage, more extreme ideas and a greater hatred of us versus them.
You could wipe every reactionary television station, radio station, magazine, social media, and newspaper off the face of the earth, but capitalism's internal contradictions would make their resurgence inevitable.
So long as wages are suppressed, social safety nets withered, wealth inequality balloons, education decays, retirement age grows, and healthcare becomes unattainable, the backside into fascism is inevitable.
How do you think fascism took hold in Germany, and how was it mitigated?
Your analysis falls into the same trap as other liberal analysis - that our means of changing our politics is a function of "changing people's minds" in "the marketplace of ideas". Liberal analysis champions the notion that "ideas" are what turn the wheels of history. In reality, it was Soviet T34s blasting Nazis into mist that mitigated German fascism - not some completely unachievable and unpragmatic scheme to break into retirement homes across the country and put parental controls on grandpa's favorite flavor of right wing pundit TV.
Just remember to always vote for the least worst, because there is no good, so that's the best you can do. And fascists are always the worst, by a mile.
Me in my 20s: "NO EFF YOU! NO COMPROMISE!"
Me, tired, in my 30s: "1 vote for Kodos, please"
80% of Democrat voters: "yeah I know they're owned by corporate interests and won't actually make good on any of their promises, but if I don't vote for them the Republicans will get in"
80% of Republican voters: "yeah I know the GOP is mostly about making themselves rich, but I hate Democrats more than I like the Republican Party"
Votescolds: don't you dare think of trying to upset this perfect beautiful balance that will play out every election for the next thousand years. In fact if you even suggest it you're probably a Russian psyop
That's just false though since Biden did do a lot of shit that he promised he would.
They both suck, but it's not even close to the same.
Why lie?
fits the narrative that all politicians are bad and that no one should vote, even if it's the most powerful force of change that ordinary people have at their disposal
Even your descriptions of how samey the voters are reveals a huge difference though. The nature of each "side" came through in your choice of words.
The first paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that openly wants to harm people all around you.
The second paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that you happen to hate.
The discussion almost feels moot at this point though, because SO much of the american populace has jumped at the chance to support the greater evil over and over.
So I guess the stance I'm taking is kind of a "¿Por Qué No Los Dos?"
The system is horribly broken from down in the details of the voting system all the way to the hyper-capitalist type-A rat race culture that is incompatible with sustained human happiness. It needs to be replaced to "fix" things.
As long as we have our same busted culture and constitution in place, then if there continue to be regular elections that seem consistent with past ones, and no shady motherfuckers are trying to link identities to ballots, then I am probably still going to go out and vote for the lesser evil.
Granted, we might already be past the point of no return where that vote won't count or the election won't happen. That's why it's a conditional statement.
Capitalism and greed are not what make us our best selves. But you had better believe I voted for "maybe we should at least catch up to Europe with regulating capitalism and protecting the people" instead of "fuck everything and fuck all y'all! Let's try turning the world superpower into a death cult for a generation or two!"
The Harris administration is not where I REALLY want my country to be right now. Not if you're going to give me the magic to actually fix things. But given the fork in the road between whatever Harris was bringing us and (gestures in all directions), I don't see myself changing my mind.
Except there are chunks of Democrats whonare not corporate stooges who might eventually make things better.
Literally all of the Republicans are MAGA Nazis.
NGL memes like this just read like Doomer Cope and Fascist propaganda.
Oh, that's because that's exactly what it is
No, I'm not, because I'm not an American and it isn't our fucking job to fix the thing the rest of us have been telling you for decades was going to happen.
Yeah... Like, I agree a lot of the liberal "resistance" is useless but also every time I see a leftist online advocating for revolution, I'm wondering when they're gonna kick it off.
People who are actively working for change in concrete ways don't often call attention to themselves by posting about it on public social media. If nobody in power is working to silence you, you're probably participating in controlled opposition and not much else.
How incredibly convenient. Or paranoid.
It ain’t gonna happen until a critical mass of the population has nothing left to lose. As it stands now, revolution sounds great to me, but getting arrested or killed leaves my family impoverished and possibly homeless. Being a cog in the machine is a preferable fate
Civil-War/Rebellions/Revolution's are massively deadly and don't frequently resolve in the revolutionaries favor. Sometimes someone worse comes along to fill the vacuum, sometimes the state just gets to justify clamping down harder if it wins.
Ooh, anti-democracy propaganda started early this cycle. I guess cons aren't so sure about this one so they had to start this voting supression psyop this time of the year.
Americans have so thoroughly bought into the notion that democracy means an entrenched two-party system, that they instinctively view any suggestion to the contrary as "anti-democracy".
Virtually every other functioning democracy in the world manages to maintain legislative houses with anything from 6-20 parties represented in Government, but somehow you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy where it's impossible for you to have because it's impossible for you to have.
It's cool in theory. In practice, US is a two-party system, and a regular person can't do shit about it. So you either vote for least bad party and organise and campaign to improve something, or you vote for most bad party and spend the whole time trying to survive while the most bad party kills most vulnerable people.
It's a shit system, US is deeply fucked. However, you don't go about fixing it by not understanding how it works
a regular person can’t do shit about it
Regular people can do everything about it. It just needs for people to stop telling them they can’t.
I'll vote blue out of harm reduction, not out of hope.
IF there's another real election, and IF the Neoliberals win, they'll do NOTHING to reign in the capitalists that fund the fascists because they're bribed to protect the "free market," just as the Fascists are.
All them winning in 2028 might do is buy a little time before the Fascists are on the march the following cycle. That's why it's ignorant when people claim the only reason we're collapsing is Trump. Reagan set the table for fascism and every president since has furthered that outcome. Whether this happened in 2020,2024, 2028, this was happening.
So vote for the Neoliberals all you want. I do it out of the starfish parable, to one delayed fascist action, it matters, but we're still in a capitalist fascist hell, and until we have something to vote or riot for that will bring the capital markets to cinder, nothing can improve. You should feel like throwing up after voting here.
When you vote neoliberal democratic party, nothing fundamentally changes, and shit system isn't fixed. When you don't, armed vans are roaming around the cities putting non-white people in concentration camps somewhere abroad.
You can boast your moral superiority all you want, but those are the choices, and every person with a sliver of morality should spend all their waking second to prevent one of those choices to happen again, more.
The "everyone is the same, voting is pointless, if you vote you are a sheep that doesn't see the moral truth" posts are doing the opposite of that, and when the opposite is encluraged, you get the worse choice, the one that hates you and actively working on killing you.
There's also not-insignificant evidence coming to light suggesting out voting is already compromised. Several counties have ridiculously anomalous voting patterns based on their investigation. Congress is already borked, and the Senate never seems to make a good decision, and the supreme Court is bought and paid for. I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless, and also maybe is that vote. I highly doubt the people are going to be allowed to continue their voting fraud investigation, or make anything happen to those responsible even if the evidence becomes insurmountable.
I'm personally afraid that there's no coming back. Trump (take 2) is the result of a broken system, not the cause. But I'll continue doing my part in hopes that I'm wrong. I can't afford to expatriate.
You heard it here first folks: this guy says don't vote its not worth it it doesnt matter anyway they dont count it they'll cheat anyway
I feel like I remember saying the exact opposite actually... Hold on, let me check.
I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless,
But I'll continue doing my part in hopes that I'm wrong.
Yep turns out I did. Yes, I absolutely have concerns that it won't make a difference, but I'm not delusional enough to think doing absolutely nothing is a viable option. I think there's a chance we can recover, but I'm also afraid we might not.
I want the two party system to die, but right now our only option is to try and vote in true progressives until they remove the parts of the system that keep the status quo. Yes, I said vote them in, because I think it's still the best current option. It's slow, and it sucks, and there will still be a ton more damage done before anything (hopefully) changes for the better, but I'm not giving up. Just expressing my fears and thoughts. Iowa's recent election shows that voting still works, at the very least, in the smaller elections.
To reiterate: I, and everyone capable of doing so, should still vote. Who knows, maybe we can get enough independent Congress seats filled to eventually have an actual say in what happens.
But you can understand my frustrations right? These people are breaking the law, refusing to follow scotus rulings, committing war crimes, and a great deal of people are cheering for it, and not a single consequence is being dished out to those who deserve it. The rule of law has never to my knowledge been so flagrantly ignored in American history.
I'll continue to participate in democracy, but I won't truly believe it's working until crimes and behavior is answered for, and those currently in power are properly held to account.
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