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[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 124 points 2 months ago

also i can't help but say "look. there's much worse things for the fucking yuppy kids to do than make art. they could go into real estate, or military advancements. every lucky baby ducky making art about how fucked the world is is a tiny victory. they should do more to make room for the rest of us, but they literally have so much privilege they don't know how. don't make hating them your top priority in this global system of violence"

[-] stray@pawb.social 84 points 2 months ago

We were all really jazzed about that healthcare CEO getting killed, and then when they arrested Luigi my coworker was like, "He was quite privileged, you know," like we aren't allowed to like the guy anymore.

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why would we like him less? Being privileged and throwing that away means he had more to lose and allegedly did it anyway.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Except for the part where he is innocent

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 months ago

He’s definitely innocent. Sorry, thought I had an “allegedly” in there. Gonna edit my comment to add one now, thanks for calling that out

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 16 points 2 months ago

Yes, this. Had someone get on me about this once and said it was hypocritical and conveniently selective. The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organizing. It imposes pointless rules that potentially push people away from the collective that we need. People don’t get a choice of the environment they are born into.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

don't make hating them your top priority

So much this. I grew up fairly less affluent than most. I was once accused of being secretly rich because “no one would dress that poor on purpose”. And I’ve had a few less than stellar altercations with kids from rich families. Suffice it to say, I resented the fuck out of people with money/privilege; I still do. It’s a toxic mindset, and it drags you down and through the mud with no benefit. That old adage of “comparison is the thief of joy” really is true. Don’t let anyone steal your joy; especially yourself.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

they literally have so much privilege they don’t know how

I'll point you to Sam Reich, the quintessential liberal rich kid, who has been working overtime to platform dozens of shit kicker comedians and artists via Dropout.tv

I wouldn't say they don't know how. I'd say they try and most fail but a few don't. And we're all richer for the effort.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

His dad’s one of the only mainstream democrats with consistently good takes (excluding previous support of Israel, but he’s at least stopped supporting them now), though. Not to take anything away from Sam Reich, but Robert Reich is literally a thought leader (worked in several presidential administrations including as secretary of labor under Clinton and was a professor for decades) in how to redistribute wealth. Sam could still have just been a shitty rich kid, and I’m glad he wasn’t (dropout is incredible), but he did have a much less awful example than most rich kids do.

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[-] lath@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah. From another angle, can't blame the kids. It's what most of us would do. If you have a child that you love, you want the world for them. Doesn't matter your own conditions as long as you give them the best. You don't want unbiased equality, you want them to be the priority. You make compromises and you make sacrifices because you must, for their sake. But you want to give them more and if you have the means, you will give them more, even if it makes you hypocritical.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

I defy the system by making art anyway.

Never let them take it from you.

[-] scytale@piefed.zip 8 points 2 months ago

I try to sneak making music into the little time I have on weekends no matter how tired I am. Sometimes the feeling of just not doing it is strong, but I push through with it.

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 48 points 2 months ago

I have long thought that a UBI would generate a new renaissance.

[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

In the early 90's, myself and every single computing geek I knew thought the Internet would usher in a Renaissance of intellect.

It was humbling to be so sure and so wrong. While I hope the same as you do, I am not so sure of anything anymore.

[-] TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You weren't wrong across the board though. I know it's hard to focus on the positives these days, and we are constantly bombarded with depressing and inane content, but we can't lose sight of them.

It's hard to overstate how much the internet has made scientific research and collaboration easier for instance. The sheer amount of research being done has exploded, and it's far from being all slop. Publishers try their best to paywall the articles but they're still available nonetheless.

And what about all the art that is shared online by people who would never, in a million years, have been able to show their creations to the world before the internet. Not to mention the people who don't share it but can make it because of freely available information.

I know it's not as idyllic as you probably foresaw it (yeah, understatement of the century, I know), but it did happen, even though unfortunately it also led to a gigantic pile of shit. Both can be true simultaneously.

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[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

It would improve society in so many ways. The only people it wouldn't benefit are the ruling class, and by harming the ruling class to benefit society, you benefit society. There are literally no downsides to it.

[-] TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I so want a UBI. Time to help my community, make open source contributions in ways I deem meaningful and beneficial to society rather than driven by corporate profit, make art, and have as much time as I want with my family? Sign me up.

But we wouldn't want to prove that people don't need the fear of homelessness and starvation to be productive now would we?

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[-] GodofLies@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 months ago

The correct terminology is people want to be able to express themselves and explore the world without being judged. Finding a purpose in what they want to do in and with their life. After all, no one was chosen to be born.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 26 points 2 months ago

An important parallel to this, especially for those of us who grew up in the US, is to remember that your hobbies and the things you build can be for your own enrichment. They do not need to be efficient or profitable. The effect of the process on your psyche is far more important than the new inanimate object you possess at the end. But that's not how our capitalist worker bee culture taught me to see it.

This is kind of how I treat hobbies. I don’t start learning Spanish to be able to speak Spanish for instance, like obviously you might get there. So for me it’s all about the journey and if I get bored and move on to something else that isn’t failure that’s chasing your curiosities and being open to try new things.

Also ADHD helps.

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[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

If Republicans actually gave a shit about small businesses, they would pass Medicare for All yesterday. Healthcare being tied to employment (with orgs that offer health insurance as part of compensation) is one of the biggest barriers to entrepreneurship in the United States.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 17 points 2 months ago

Lack of healthcare is one of the biggest reasons I’ve never gone freelance for my programming work.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I'm a one person LLC. Health insurance is my biggest expense outside of my house payment. If you extrapolate over the last three years, those are the only two things that I've put more money in than retirement.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 11 points 2 months ago

Seriously. Think of how many people would do something amazing if they could risk a gap in their employment without losing healthcare.

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I think what this alludes to is the reality that the time and resources to self-actualize are still largely the domain of the owner class.

And many to most still seem to just chase a bigger hoard rather than do that.

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[-] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't know if it's art or just creation. Like, if I had infinite money I'd spend time on leatherworking and making little machines/programs. Both a form of creation.

[-] MML@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

Have I shown you my assorted lengths of wire?

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[-] uriel238 17 points 2 months ago

This was discovered in the US shortly after the COVID-19 lockdown thanks to The Great Resignation when furloughed workers took to hobbies during lockdown and some of them found ones lucrative enough they decided to quit their (often toxic) jobs.

In fact, there's been a strong effort by both principal political parties and the ownership class to memory-hole what happened 2020-2022 in which ordinary people were given enough material support to define for themselves their societal role, rather than having it defined for them by major commercial interests (who want them as cheap labor).

This is also how an unconditional socialized or community-centered system would work. (We might even call them socialism or communism if those were not the worst of all slurs in the United States). People can couch-potato and binge-watch TV for about two weeks before cabin fever sets in and they either start fixing and building. Those of us (like me) who can couch potato for longer than that suffer from mental illness (and in my case, have been diagnosed since my early twenties). I stayed in bed for nine months, often without the capacity to literally lift a finger thanks to my avolition. No one wants to be that lazy.

No, the current system is a grift, a scam to force people to engage in menial labor for super-cheap while they suffer abuse by their superiors, hence the RTO mandates, and how crunching development teams in AAA game development is still a thing.

Yes, I'm bitter, but Trump's autocratic movement may be the last gasp of neoliberalism, and either we're going to see steps towards a new New Deal or we're going to see our Tech-Bro oligarch masters try to fascism all of the US and the reprisal will be even more revolutionary (and more violent).

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago

My inability to draw definitely isn't related to my mortgage.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Everybody has an inability to draw until they learn how.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Not all art is drawing. Music is a big one. If you don't know how to play music you have electronic music.

If you still want something more plastic, there are forms of graphic art that do not rely on manual drawing abilities. You can do 3d renders for instance. But also several stiles that do not requiere much ability. You can even code a piece of art through a generative algorithm in something like p5.

There's also photography, and video.

Writing, from poetry to full novels.

Art is limitless.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

this is part of the reason why the blunt anti-AI movement pisses me off. It lets those of us who didn't get to dedicate a bunch of time to mastering visual arts to get an OK representation of an idea made. Not all of us have commission money.

The greater impact, how it's used etc are valid points of argument. But it's nice to see some interesting ideas rendered well, and it's nice to be able to put in stupid ideas and see them made. And not all of it is draining oceans and making people homeless.

[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago

Art is creation and process not result. AI generated images are results that aren't created. Using time or money as justification for using this abhorrent "tool" is just you trying to put an emotional twist on the judgments from actual artists.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Indeed, AI art empowers non-artists to explore areas they otherwise wouldn’t. Not everyone has the money or social connections to hire an artist every time they want to try something out.

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it's probably best to focus on the positives. The AI box has been opened, and there's no closing it back up, even if we wanted to.

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 2 months ago

it's weird, i don't think i've had this urge. i have an urge but i don't know what it is.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've never considered myself an artistic person, but many years ago I was laid off and had a few months of time to fill, and in a surprise to myself, I started making pixel art animations and absolutely loved it. It fulfilled some sort of latent creative need that I didn't realize was there until I had the time.

I think many of us would be surprised at what parts of our personalities come out when not suppressed by the daily grind.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 2 months ago

i spent the last six months doing nothing at work because there was nothing for me to do, and i've just been doing "code doodles". snippets that don't do anything. i don't think it's because i wanted to make them, i just wanted to look like i was doing something. my proof is that now that i've been laid off (because there was nothing for me to do), i don't find myself wanting to do anything in particular, but wanting to do something. every single thing feels forced, but when i try to get my brain to actually tell me what it is i do want i just get nothing.

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[-] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is a world-building element of Heinlein’s posthumous novel, For Us the Living, where UBI allows people to do art or other low-pay trades. The UBI system in the novel enables people who don’t want to work, are tired of work, or who aren’t good at working, to live and pursue what does make them happy since their livelihood doesn’t rely on working a job. Of course, Heinlein has some libertarian nonsense to harp on in the book, but it’s wild just how long we’ve known that there is enough to take care of us all and that working to live is a detriment individually and collectively.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Only thing I've been creating lately is chaos...

[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Pickup a fucking crayon and draw your friends

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

"Rich people have it too easy" is such a crabs-in-a-bucket mentality.

[-] ech@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

In what way is "everyone should be able to explore their artistic side" a "crabs-in-a-bucket mentality"?

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[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

the money also gets them famous

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

The vast, vast majority of artists do it as a job to survive and not for fun though.

It can certainly be a hobby that is done for fun with no time constraints, where you can just make whatever you please, but it can also be stressful, soul-sucking necessity once money gets involved.

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[-] brem@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Whoever said this obviously doesn't have a financial backer to develop acrylic paint in easy to eat tubes (specifically in yellow)

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