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I was sitting at a cafe with some friends, and we got onto the subject of weird anime we have watched. None of us are heavy anime consumers, so it's not really a topic that comes up often. I recalled a time I was at my brother's house a couple months ago and we got WAY too high and started digging through his Crunchyroll to find something dumb to watch, and found this movie from 2014 called "Satellite Girl and Milk Cow". So I described the premise, a guy who was turned into a literal bipedal cow by some wizard happens upon a sentient satellite that falls to earth and becomes a humanoid girl... I don't remember anything else I was REALLY high lol.

Over the next couple of minutes, I ended up saying "Sattelite Girl and Milk Cow" a couple more times. When eventually one of the friends doubted my recollection, they took out their phone to look it up. They started typing, and then stopped dead, stared at the screen for a few seconds and blurted out "What the fuck?"

They turned their phone around and they had typed "Satellite" into google and THE FIRTS RECOMMENDED RESULT was "Satellite Girl and Milk Cow". A goofy relatively obscure animated movie from 2014.

Ok, what? How? That's such a specific and obscure thing to pull as a first result. There are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of other things that would be immediately more relevant to any random person's life than that. I don't have a smartphone so couldn't try on the spot, but when I got home, neither my laptop or desktop gave any similar behavior on multiple different search engines. It gave me a few seconds of dread that even though I have consciously made the choice to exclude myself from the constant data gathering of smartphones, other people's phones are still listening to me, which is something I hadn't really thought about before.

I'm sure plenty more people have stories like this, but the specificity and obscurity of this example is just so baffling to me, like there's NO way that it wasn't picked up as an audio cue.

I can almost feel the tinfoil hat beginning to grow out of my skull.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 7 minutes ago

If I type in "satellite gir" the first result is that anime and some song with a similar name. This is creepy but I don't necessarily think it's evidence of audio surveillance. If the show is similar to other things your friend watches it might just be more likely in the search results.

[-] SoleInvictus 8 points 1 hour ago

I don't watch anime, don't use Google, and browse on Linux using Librewolf. I pulled up chrome on my android phone, went to Google, and typed in satellite. "Satellite girl and milk cow" was the third autocomplete option.

[-] Bags@piefed.social 5 points 1 hour ago

Huh, thank you for that. Very strange, looking at the google trends it has very little interest aside from a few blips between otherwise flat 0 interest over the last 5 years. There IS a small spike in interest occurring right now, so perhaps this is indeed some insane coincidence.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0_z2zn7&hl=en-GB

~~Are you in Arizona?~~ (looked again and it gave Alaska, not sure what's going on there)

Spike in the past week or so of interest for some reason. Perhaps it has come up somewhere else recently to prime you to discuss it with your friends.

Security researchers have been looking hard for any proof of this for decades now. Humans are just super predictable even when it feels like what we do is completely random.

[-] Bags@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

We watched it like last October, so way before that spike...

Maybe that spike was us talking about it yesterday and the one search my friend did, and this thread...

Looking at the 5 year trend in the USA, and how there are only 2 blips in interest and a flatline 0 background interest otherwise shows me that the movie is indeed as obscure as I thought. My one mental offramp was that it was actually popular in some other community somewhere and I just hadn't heard of it. Even the Worldwide 5 year graph has a LOT of 0 flatline... Which makes it all the stranger.

And all the people saying it was some correlation between our phones being together or something... I don't have a smartphone. I never searched for the movie on any device I own, the only device it was played on or even typed the words into was my brother's crunchyroll app on his TV (which is indeed one point of collection). We live in different states, and I have never logged into any of my accounts on his TV. I hadn't spoken the words aloud in over 6 months. I have one point of social media, an Instagram, where I interact with 0 other accounts and simply post my photography. This friend does not have an instagram. I can't find any reasonable thread that could connect anything to my friends' phone. He had definitely never heard of the movie before, hence why he went to go look it up. And again, none of us are heavy anime consumers, so it's not like he's searching anime on his phone all day.

[-] cevn@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

I dont care what anyone says. Ive seen this happen like 10-20 times personally so they are definitely paying attention somehow. Most recently someone nearby mentioned a movie monsoon wedding. Go back home and its my #1 youtube recommendation despite never being there before.

[-] troed@fedia.io 34 points 3 hours ago

Smartphones are not recording conversations.

Strike 1: Battery life would be enormously impacted. "Ok google" and such keywords run on specific low power hardware that THEN wake up the rest of the phone when triggered. General recording would need the full phone to always be running == very short battery life.

Strike 2: The whole combined cybersecurity field are constantly probing mobile phones (hardware and software) for security issues. If there was either code or hardware that was always listening you would have seen lots of headlines with actual proof.

The word you're looking for is "synchronicity".

[-] missingno@fedia.io 27 points 3 hours ago

I think a more likely explanation is that Google knows who your friends are, knows your friends watched this movie, and thus thinks it could be relevant to you.

[-] scytale@piefed.zip 10 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, it's probably more of a correlation between all the data points at that specific time (everyone's phones in the same location and all the data points social media has on them), and the algorithm was able to piece together that information to form a guess on auto-complete. If we're really leaning hard into phones listening, then the most plausible explanation is someone in the cafe was actively using siri (or google's equivalent) while OP mentioned the anime title and it was picked up in the background.

Phones are designed to have massive talk times as is.

Most of that power is required for audio output.

But if you're just parsing for adwords? Capture and send snippets back to a server and process them there, attach them to the google/facebook ID.

Also, consider that cell phones used to have stand by charge times in the range of a week or two if left unused. Smartphones die if left unused for half a week.

[-] troed@fedia.io 10 points 3 hours ago

I could've added that I spent 15 years working as a developer in the mobile phone industry, but in reality that shouldn't be needed. All that's necessary for you to independently verify what I wrote regarding how voice keyword triggers function and the difference in power draw between that and the full audio pathway for recording is available through the nearest search engine.

[-] pressedhams 7 points 2 hours ago

All you need to do is independently verify the claim that I have made. chefs kiss

[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Two decades ago I had a candybar dumbphone - less than two decades later I bought this tiny device (which I got when it came out two years ago) that was significantly more powerful than my full-blown computer back then, along with features nobody would've thought could be packed into something so small.

There's always newer, better, more efficient tech being developed. What were once known limitations are regularly being overcome. The advances in tech just seem to keep accelerating well past "ludicrous speed," and so to assume that such roadblocks as you describe are hurdles that will keep those determined to find a way past them at bay for a long time to come is a fool's folly, IMHO.

[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 8 points 2 hours ago

Going back for years, the “Is _____ listening to my conversations?” question has been asked with various improbable coincidences given as proof. But the answer has always been (and I think it is even scarier than the proposition) “maybe? But they don’t really need to.”

It’s not a big leap to assume you might have interest in that show if your network traffic was coming from the same IP address at the same time that Crunchyroll was playing, or even the same location at a different time; it doesn’t really matter. They’ll add it to their profile of you. Then you and your friends get together, maybe multiple times before this conversation, and your devices get associated with each other: Maybe its location data, maybe its being on a shared network, maybe its Bluetooth proximity, it could be any number of things and it doesn’t really matter which. Now if y’all are together for a while then google/facebook/amazon/whatever can reasonably infer that you talked about things (or at the very least share some interests). And what would you folks be talking about? Things that they are interested in! So then while y’all are together, and a little bit after, [Tech Company] can boost your friends search/ads/recommendations with data from your profile. It’s all just a game of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and the big players just have access to so much data and processing that they can play the game that well.

[-] Bags@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I replied something similar to another comment, but:

*I don't have a smartphone.
*The movie was played on my brother's TV, in another state, in which I have never logged into any of my accounts on the device.
*I have never brought my laptop to his house, so have never had any of my accounts associated with his home network.
*We watched the movie last October (10 months ago).
*I have never said the name of the movie aloud other than at my brother's house 10 months ago, and yesterday at the cafe.
*I have never searched the movie on any device I own.
*I have only been friends with this new person for ~1 month.

I am utterly failing to see any logical thread that can connect these...

My brother and I are friends on Steam and follow each other on Instagram, but those are the only connections I can think of... This new friend doesn't have instagram and we have never interacted on Steam (I don't even know if he has an account)... We have tagged each other on Discord, but are not "friends", and my brother doesn't have discord...

If the web of info really goes that deep to make this event occur, that is almost scarier than his phone listening to us talk.

[-] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 47 points 4 hours ago

I think people underestimate how far along surveillance capitalism actually is

[-] cryptTurtle@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago

A lot of people dont realize it's been around since the late nineties when grocery stores started storing massive datasets on customer behavior. It's only grown since then, but even back then they were able to predict things like what you were likely to buy next or where you were in a hormonal cycle

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 32 points 4 hours ago

I had an in person conversation with my doctor about a highly specific and unusual medical condition and on the way home Instagram decided to show me an ad for it.

Instagram was immediately uninstalled.

[-] Bags@piefed.social 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Medicine commercials are always such a weird thing in my head, too... Especially the incredibly nonspecific ones blasted blindly from the TV, which doesn't have any of this invasive targeted advertising...

cheerful music plays
[Happy, diverse group of people having a picnic]
[picturesque background of a rainbow and puffy clouds with a person raising their arms triumphantly]
"Ask your doctor if Plapbamba is right for you."
[Child hugs older person in slow motion]

Yeah but WHAT IS IT FOR?

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Ya gotta ask your doctor 😂

[-] Kit 10 points 3 hours ago

Yesterday I was in the car with my boyfriend and he told me about some skit show where a character says "Do it lady!" and we laughed and said the phrase about 5 times. When I got home I opened YouTube and the first recommendation was that skit. I've never watched the skit before and it's not something I typically watch. Creeped me out.

[-] troed@fedia.io 7 points 3 hours ago

Yeah - your boyfriend had watched the video. Your phone was then next to your boyfriends for some amount of time. That's a well known location datapoint for ad targeting (and is the reason for why people freaked out when Facebook started recommending their therapist as "person you might know" etc).

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

My wife handed me her phone to show me an Instagram.

The next video auto plays, "I didn't know you were into retro gaming" she isn't, she hasn't ever been, I have no idea how it knew she handed her phone off to me, or that I was into retro gaming, I don't have much of any Internet presence, I never use her phone nor insta gram, her hobbies barely align with mine and especially aren't in the retro genre.

I used to think there were better ways to track people and they didn't need up to the second data to properly advertise to someone, but that changed my mentality entirely.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 hours ago

Here’s the Pitch Deck for ‘Active Listening’ Ad Targeting

The slide deck provides more information, and raises more questions, about CMG’s advertised capability which it calls Active Listening. In December, 404 Media first reported on Active Listening’s existence using pitches from CMG’s website before the company deleted that information. The presentation, which the company has sent to at least one company it was courting to buy its Active Listening services, shows how CMG was marketing the product to companies who may want to target potential customers based on data allegedly sourced from device microphones. Google has kicked CMG from its advertising Partners Program after 404 Media asked Google for comment on the slide deck.

https://archive.is/ckFB2

Look at the graphic too. At the time, they were working with Google, Facebook and Amazon.

[-] Bags@piefed.social 8 points 4 hours ago

Damn, I hate the world we live in.

I remember many years ago people used to joke that our phones were listening to us (when they likely weren't), and now they just straight up provably are, and it seems like people are just ok with it.

I haven't kept up to date on any of this or been in the spaces where this info is usually available, seeing it so easily posted from multiple sources is scary.

[-] zeropointone@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

To rule out coincidence you need to replicate what happened. If it works again and again, then yes, some app is listening.

[-] breakingcups@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

This has been debunked so many times it's not even funny. Did you know a squid correctly predicted the Superbowl and Eurovision winners too‽ It's true! It's too much of a coincidence not to be true. Very suspicious, there's NO way the squid doesn't have secret powers!

[-] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Uninstall the following apps:

  • Anything google
  • Anything facebook
  • Anything amazon

That's not an exhaustive list. But the reality is those companies make money by spying on you in order to serve you ads. They have been caught red handed multiple times breaking out of the OS sandbox to get permissions the apps were otherwise not granted - to spy on you. Don't trust them. If you need one of those services, use your phone's browser.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

It’s a well known fact that our smartphones report back tracking and other info. There are some harmless reasons what you described could happen, but you are right to be suspicious.

If you’re using a cell phone you are submitting to surveillance. This is the world we live in.

[-] nalinna@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago
[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 hours ago

Turn off your phone when you don’t need it.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 3 hours ago

And lock it away somewhere way out of earshot.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 5 points 4 hours ago

Please sub any privacy community.

As much as you can, Degoogle yourselves. Ditch Meta, drop MS.

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