We will see corporate douche.
Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot
I don't get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn't care about what tools I use, as long as I got the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
Because like AI, your CEO is a tool.
Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.
Return? No, there is no return on investment from AI. If there really was a return to be had from Devs, you wouldn't have to force them to use it.
This is a saving face and covering their asses exercise. Option 1 is "We spent the money, nobody's using it, the bubbles gonna burst", the other choice is "if we can ramp up the usage numbers before the earnings call, we can get some of that sweet investor money to buy us out of being mauled by our shareholders".
It's shitty management, making shitty decisions to cover up their previous shitty decisions
That's the point though. These CEOs don't know that there is not going to be an "AI revolution". They all think they are getting in on the ground floor of the next Google or Facebook. They genuinely believe that these "AI's" are going to revolutionize the Internet.
That's exactly why Elmo went from "AI is too dangerous and development on it must be stopped" to "I'm gonna built the best AI ever and I'll call it Grok cause I want everyone to think I'm a relatable sci-fi nerd."
At this stage,I can't believe that they are stupid enough to believe the shit that comes out of their mouths. Hence I say that it's not about the return from AI, but riding the bubble before it pops, and justifying their stupidity to others by force feeding the crap they spent their money on down our throats in the hope that we don't just throw it up on them
GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is forcing AI on all the employees
Honestly I've been recommending setting up a personal git store and cloning any project you like, I imagine the next phase of this is Microsoft making a claim that if Copilot 'assisted' all these projects, Microsoft is a part owner of all these projects - in a gambit to swallow and own open source.
loads of self hosted alternatives if you so require it
They all need to be sued for unethical “Embrace, Extend and Extinguish” practices again
best I can do is rusty dull guillotine
nah rusty and a blade that is serrated.... make way more mess. As an aside the guillotine was designed for theatre, the mechanism actually makes that loud noise on purpose! Pointless to kill someone without a bit of theatre don't ya think
I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.
Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done?
Not just that... why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?... the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going
It's not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It's about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.
If AI actually accomplishes what it's being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.
tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care
They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
Accurate description of most managers i've encountered.
Contradictory to the title, this message is not to the developers, developers don't care what github ceo thinks, and they should know it. This might be for the management of other companies to allow using ai or force ai usage.
This part really stuck out for me:
This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
If hype doesn't work, try threats!
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
such an easy choice ......
(edit: I followed up and got out. This too is now self-hosted and codeberg when needed)
Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.
Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.
CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.
"Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many"
No shit, man.
Threatening remarks like that are why I learned PHPUnit and XDebug, and yeah it made me become a better developer, but often times these are just empty statements.
AI is just another tool in my toolbox, but it's not everything.
does "embracing AI" means replacing all these execs with it? or is it "too far"?
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don't need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.
I asked an AI to generate me some code yesterday. A simple interface to a REST API with about 6 endpoints.
And the code it made almost worked. A few fixes here and there to methods it pulled out of it's arse, but were close enough to real ones to be an easy fix.
But the REST API it made code for wasn't the one I gave it. Bore no resemblance to it in fact.
People need to realise that MS isn't forcing it's devs to write all code with AI because they want better code. It's because they desperately need training data so they can sell their slop generators to gullible CEOs.
Message to Github CEO: your job is one thing AI is best at.
Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal
Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.
GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?
Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?
Ima tell him…
real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor's money, because AI is just a hype"
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
Does github copilot include attributions and licenses from projects it copy paste code from or it's just stealing and pretending like nothing happened like all other AI ?
It's funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.
I'm a professional developer and have tested AI tools extensively over the last few years as they develop. The economic implications of the advancements made over the last few months are simply impossible to ignore. The tools aren't perfect, and you certainly need to structure their use around their strengths and weaknesses, but assigned to the right tasks they can be 10% or less of the cost with better results. I've yet to have a project where I've used them and they didn't need an experienced engineer to jump in and research an obscure or complex bug, have a dumb architectural choice rejected, or verify if stuff actually works (they like reporting success when they shouldn't), but again the economics; the dev can be doing other stuff 90% of the time.
Don't get me wrong, on the current trajectory this tech would probably lead to deeply terrible socioeconomic outcomes, probably techno neofeudalism, but for an individual developer putting food on the table I don't see it as much of a choice. It's like the industrial revolution again, but for cognitive work.
I keep hearing stuff like this, but I haven't found a good use or workflow for AI (other than occasional chatbot sessions). Regular autocomplete is more accurate (no hallucinations) and faster than AI suggestions (especially accounting for needing to constantly review the suggestions for correctness). I guess stuff like Cursor is OK at making one-off tools on very small code-bases, but hits a brick-wall when the code base gets too big. Then you're left with a bunch of unmaintainable code you're not very familiar with and you would to spend a lot of time trying to fix yourself. Dunno if I'm doing something wrong or what.
I guess what I'm saying is that using AI can speed you up to a point while the project accumulates massive amounts of technical debt, and when you take into account all the refactoring and debugging time, it results in taking longer to produce a buggier project. At least, in my experience.
I'm finding AI effectively automates entry level jobs and interns. The long term implications is very few will be able to enter the field. What do we do when all the experienced engineers retire? How will we shift our economy to work for everyone under this model?
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