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[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 265 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is 100% true

Admen for companies like Monsanto in the 1950s pushed the idea of the “green lawn” and rebranded clover as a weed to push herbicides and nitrogen fertilizers

Clover is resilient with lower water needs, it’s softer, it naturally deters pests, and most importantly it pulls nitrogen from the air and pushes it into the soil.

What’s funny and sad is now they’ve come full circle and today’s admen realized they could capitalize on the instagram trend of undoing the damage of the admen from 70 years ago

Once again advertisers prove that they are absolute scumbags with no ethics whatsoever who will value making a dollar over destroying ecosystems

[-] feannag@sh.itjust.works 51 points 6 days ago

How am I supposed to use my Turf Builder® every 2 months, 4 times a year?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

You skip the winter. For example, maybe you apply it in March, May, July, and September. (Or April, June, August, and October? IDK I don't actually fertilize my lawn.)

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[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

advertisers prove that they are absolute scumbags

I honestly didn't believe that until, one day, a scumbag came calling with a 'brilliant IT idea' that only myself and my colleagues could build. I'll put it this way: we realized that this guy would literally not stop until he covered the entire world with advertising, as though we were supposed to live in an environment modeled after a college dorm corkboard. No thanks.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 days ago

Have you not seen how advertising destroys everything it touches and co-opts every space, continually intruding further and further to become more “effective”

I know you have because you are here on the internet. Depending on your age you have likely seen the decline of sites like reddit, youtube, google, etc. if your older you’ve probably seen newspapers get destroyed in a similar fashion, television, etc. outdoor advertising (billboards, in stores, signage, etc) has only become more obtrusive, offensive, and ever present through the decades as well

Admen find a space where people are, shove themselves into it, take that space over, then demand control of that space to enforce that their ads are “respected”. With the modern internet they shamelessly steal tons of data about you so their ad spends can be more “effective” because again, they have no ethics whatsoever. They don’t care if that complete violates your privacy and they don’t care if that data continually gets breached when it’s handed through 80 brokers. “Well, I wasn’t the one that did it! Doesn’t matter that I perpetuate a system that’s totally fucked” Except for cases like Google and meta of course where they absolutely were the ones who were. But again, no ethics whatsoever

Fuck advertisers. Advertisers are the bane of existence. They dont believe in their products, they just believe in soulless consumerism. They fight unfair; if you create systems to evade their bullshit they use their power to destroy those systems (going back to things like tivo). They are the devil, the antichrist. Kill all admen and make the world a better place. If you work in advertising take a long hard look at your life and figure out where it all went wrong, and then go work a more respectable job like being the person who changes urinal ice in strip clubs.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 207 points 6 days ago

When I got a lawn, I didn't do anything to it. It gets mowed every two weeks, but that's it. After a particularly nasty drought most of the grass died. A few months later, clover started popping up on its own. It's much better than grass, and now a bunny likes to visit us.

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[-] moakley@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

She's #4 all time on there! I took this better picture this week but hadn't posted it yet because it's "babie week" there.

[-] scarilog@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Everything about this comment brings me so much joy

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 25 points 6 days ago

We get lots of bunny visitors at my place as well, but I noticed a couple have crazy big ticks around their ears. Luckily we haven't gotten any in the house or anything, but has def made me less "pro-bunny" lately.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 30 points 6 days ago

That shouldn't make you less pro-bunny. It should make you more pro-possum. It's an ecosystem. We threw it out of wack, but there are things that help keep tick populations down.

[-] TherapyGary 19 points 6 days ago

Possums don't actually eat ticks (but we should still be pro-possum for other environmental reasons)

https://outdoor.wildlifeillinois.org/articles/debunking-the-myth-opossums-dont-eat-ticks

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago

Turns out they will eat ticks in a study that only fed them ticks.

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

The rabbit in my yard had a pretty big tick on it. I just don't walk where the tall plants are.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 120 points 6 days ago

Just in case people are wondering about this, it's true. Clover is a legume. Meaning it gets nitrogen from the air and puts it into the soil. This effectively means the clover is fertilizing the soil. Seeing lots of clover can be a sign that the soil lacks nitrogen and can't grow much else.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago

Slight clarification: Dutch Clover (trifolium repens) under nitrogen deficient conditions, at temperatures above 50F and below 95F, and with the correct rhyzobium species present, with soil pH between 5.5 & 8.0, can produce nitrogen that is stored in its tissue.

When clover is mowed and the clippings mulched back into the soil, the decomposition of the leaves adds nitrogen to the soil. If you remove the clippings the nitrogen goes with it.

Clover doesn't just release more nitrogen into the soil, it takes a bit of work.

[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

50°F = 10°C
95°F = 35°C

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago

When clover is mowed and the clippings mulched back into the soil, the decomposition of the leaves adds nitrogen to the soil. If you remove the clippings the nitrogen goes with it.

Yes, "green manure" is taking nitrogen fixing crops (like clover and beans and peanuts) and to mulch them while still green, and incorporate that decomposing mulch into the soil you're using. That adds nitrogen in fewer steps than the traditional way of using animal manure (where the nitrogen still ultimately comes from plants).

Of course, the modern Haber process also fixes nitrogen through industrial chemistry rather than agriculture, so most commercial fertilizer today gets its nitrogen from chemical synthesis of atmospheric nitrogen into ammonia.

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[-] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I plant it in the walkways of my vegetable garden. Besides fixing nitrogen, it makes the Bees happy, and it's tasty in salads and mixed greens.

Oh, and it's super satisfying to walk on in barefeet

[-] grahamja@reddthat.com 34 points 5 days ago

I grew up on an American farm and I cannot comprehend the suburbs. Grass just grows, it was there before developers bull dozed whatever forest / farm / wetland was already there to install impossible to walk cul-de-sacs everywhere. Less massive yards and more public parks would be better for everyone.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

As someone who lives in the San Bernardino foothills I can assure you grass doesn't just grow it dries out and gets replaced by an invasive species of central Asian plant. The housing tracts must be baptized in hundreds of invasive tumbleweeds followed by an inferno caused by a Bic lighter.

[-] JennyLaFae 6 points 5 days ago

Grew up in the countryside where our yard ended where my dad stopped cutting the grass, one time I messed up his line and we found a horseshoe pit while fixing it, so we got a bigger yard with horseshoes 😂

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago

We really need to outlaw advertizing that double as disinformation campaigns.

[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 53 points 6 days ago
[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago
[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 56 points 6 days ago

Grass isn't inherently a bad idea for a lawn, it's just specific to your individual climate. The main issue is that most of the grasses people plant are native to much cooler climates in Europe.

I have a grass lawn, but it's a native Buffalo grass. It's much more drought tolerant than clover, flowers a couple times a year, doesn't require any maintenance, and provides a natural habitat for native wildlife.

Clover isn't actually much better than most grasses if you are trying to support the natural biodiversity. It's not native to north America, and thus only supports a small range of wildlife that's adapted to it.

A Lot of America's natural ground cover is actually low lying shrubs and flowering plants.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 5 days ago

One of the things I remember when I visited Florida as a kid from the UK was how weird their grass was. It's all spiky.

And kept trying to point this out but for some bizarre reason my parents weren't interested.

[-] fefellama@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

It’s called St Augustine grass and it’s everywhere down there since it’s supposedly very hardy, heat resistant, and salt resistant, which is important in hot, wet, and salty Florida. And I know exactly what you mean about the spikiness; it’s not soft at all.

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In my region (Tennessee) the most popular intentional lawn grass is Tall Fescue, which is very soft, but it doesn’t spread laterally, so when gaps happen due to heat and such, spiky/hard crab grass fills in the gaps, and isn’t killed by broad-leaf herbicide since it’s also grass, so semi-maintained lawns quickly get taken over. The lawns with no herbicide regimen get taken over by clover instead, so you end up with a horseshoe of sorts where the completely un-maintained lawns (fescue and clover) and meticulously-maintained lawns (pure fescue) are soft, but the lawns in the middle are spiky.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There are several clover species native to NA.

Most are only found in the west, but theres a few eastern ones like Trifolium kentuckiense.

But sure, the common clover in most peoples yards is likely Trifolium pratense or Trifolium repens

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[-] dumples@midwest.social 12 points 6 days ago

I just and to add in here that supporting your non-native bees with clover is still worthwhile. Clovers can be a good add on if you want a traditional lawn

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[-] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 days ago

There was this study, I think it was German, of fields for hay (herbivores eat it). They had monocultures and then fields with mixes. While some monocultures did very well some years the mixes did best on average - better defined as producing more biomass. The same probably goes for lawns.

[-] Bluewing@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

This has been known for quite a while now. I've seen US Ag short films from the 1930s on the benefits of pasture blends and the increased tonnage of feed it produces and how best to manage it to maximize the feed values for greater profits.

Growing up on a small dairy farm we used a mix of alfalfa, red clover, and timothy or maybe fescue. It's been few decades. It was pretty much up to providing decent forage even in dry years or on light ground.

this makes sense from a mathematical perspective, because you're diversifying risks so in a year where one type of plant doesn't grow well, another can take over. so it's more likely that there's a plant in there that can grow well that year.

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[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 days ago

is everything else on this site also true?

Only when greentexted.

[-] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 54 points 6 days ago

Anon is right, but ONLY ABOUT THIS!!! I've heard Nevada has been using this to conserve water. Im gonna put some on my lawn tomorrow.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

Clover is a great drought resistant "carpet" as a replacement for the water greedy grass yards (which are also largely impractical).

[-] 1371113@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago

Also great for bee life and other pollinators. The reason they stopped putting it in lawns was because of selective herbicides that kill all plants EXCEPT grass and some marketing fuck-knuckle (string them all up and ban the teaching of marketing) decided that clover had to go so they could sell herbicides that also kill pollinating insects. Happened in the 50s I think.

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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 51 points 6 days ago

OMG... Are you saying nature has better solutions than chemical companies?

Blasphemy.

[-] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 19 points 6 days ago

As a chemist, you made me laugh. But, there is really nothing natural about a lawn.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Sorry, Monsanto found some of their GMO corn in your field after that comment. Time to give up the farm!

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 6 days ago

Greentext knows its green stuff.

[-] Missmuffet@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

I know that clover is good at fixing atmospheric (gaseous) nitrogen and turning it into a more solid form that plants can use (much like nitrogen fertilizers), but I am not smart enough to know if it is particularly drought-resistant

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