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Against truth (samkriss.substack.com)
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[-] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago

The targets are informed, via a grammatically invalid sentence.

Sam Kriss (author of the ‘Laurentius Clung’ piece) has posted a critique. I don’t think it’s good, but I do think it’s representative of a view that I ever encounter in the wild but haven’t really seen written up.

FWIW the search term 'Laurentius Clung' gets no hits on LW, so I'm to assume everyone there also is Extremely Online on Xitter and instantly knows the reference.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3GbM9hmyJqn4LNXrG/yams-s-shortform?commentId=MzkAjd8EWqosiePMf

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 6 hours ago

Look: I’ve managed to get through an entire essay on rationalism without mentioning Roko’s basilisk even once, and frankly I think I deserve a bit of credit for it.

The effort this took is outstanding.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 7 hours ago

This was a good read. I also read the post/story/essay that got the rats upset and it's good too.

https://samkriss.substack.com/p/the-law-that-can-be-named-is-not

Yud's sputtering reaction can be read here among the comments here

https://xcancel.com/captgouda24/status/1946398995556819149

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Reaction ro Yud:

Soo... Care to have a word with Scott about Unsong?

And reply from what I assume is a lesswronger:

Extremely annoying to read something, halfway in discovering it's fake, then having to go back to re-update backwards on everything I "learned" from it

Re-update backwards

E: I keep thinking of Re-update backwards, how it is silly to have a special term for this (which prob means it has occurred often enough for them to think of one), and that it is silly to have to do this a lot because keeps happening and then not changing your behavior, how weird is your internet media consumption if you just assume everything you read on a blog is true. I would hope the first time people fall for that (I fell for adequacy [dot] org (I checked the actual link and got a red paged 'this site is dangerous' warning so not sure if the archive is still up, not used to those red paged warnings so didn't follow up on it) at the time, in my defense, I'm a fool) they start to be a bit less trustworthy of random stuff they read. But nope, re-update your priors backwards.

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 8 hours ago

Oh man, that was a chuckle and a half. Choice quotation:

We’re supposedly dealing with a group of idiosyncratic weirdos, all of them trying to independently reconstruct the entirety of human knowledge from scratch. Their politics run all the way from the furthest fringes of the far right to the furthest fringes of the liberal centre

Anyone know a good gladiator arena with aperol spritzes? I have a date to plan for the weekend!

[-] scruiser@awful.systems 18 points 15 hours ago

Saw this posted to the Reddit Sneerclub, this essay has some excellent zingers and a good overall understanding of rationalists. A few highlights...

Rationalism is the notion that the universe is a collection of true facts, but since the human brain is an instrument for detecting lions in the undergrowth, almost everyone is helplessly confused about the world, and if you want to believe as many true things and disbelieve as many false things as possible—and of course you do—you must use various special techniques to discipline your brain into functioning more like a computer. (In practice, these techniques mostly consist of calling your prejudices ‘Bayesian priors,’ but that’s not important right now.)

We're all very familiar with this phenoma, but this author has a pithy way of summarizing it.

The story is not a case study in how rationality will help you understand the world, it’s a case study in how rationality will give you power over other people. It might have been overtly signposted as fiction, with all the necessary content warnings in place. That doesn’t mean it’s not believed. Despite being genuinely horrible, this story does have one important use: it makes sense out of the rationalist fixation on the danger of a superhuman AI. According to HPMOR, raw intelligence gives you direct power over other people; a recursively self-improving artificial general intelligence is just our name for the theoretical point where infinite intelligence transforms into infinite power.

Yep, the author nails the warped view Rationalists have about intelligence.

We’re supposedly dealing with a group of idiosyncratic weirdos, all of them trying to independently reconstruct the entirety of human knowledge from scratch. Their politics run all the way from the furthest fringes of the far right to the furthest fringes of the liberal centre.

That is a concise summary of their warped Overton Window, yeah.

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 14 hours ago

To be fair, some character development does take place: by the end, Harry has learned how to not be so frightening, and how to use his powers of effortless domination more strategically. There is a general failure of self-awareness here I have not seen outside Sonichu. It makes for genuinely harrowing reading.

[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago

And just a couple paragraphs before that:

Reading HPMOR gave me a sense of crushing second-hand despair that I’ve only previously experienced when finding out things about Chris-Chan. It really is that bad.

(the real cognitohazard was the friends we made along the way)

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 3 points 2 hours ago

@BlueMonday1984 @o7___o7

Man, there’s “too online” and then there’s… that.

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