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[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 1 week ago

As someone who has a garden and has successfully grown garlic from cut ends of store bulbs...

It's not worth the labor.

I garden, yes, but the economy of scales of buying at the grocery store is much lower than growing your own vegetables. You garden because you want to enjoy vegetables that are either heirloom or you want the freshness.

Between the labor, watering, fertilizing, maintaining, etc. it's simply cheaper to buy at the store.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It’s not worth the labor.

I wholeheartedly agree.
It’s not worth the labor if you don't know what you are doing. Gardening is like printing free money, and it is an enjoyable hobby that provides some stress relieving exercise, IF you know what you are doing.
Using cheap-ass store bought garlic is a big mistake.
I don't plow, till and hardly weed yet have a fantastic garden that provides way more high quality produce than we can use. My fresh tasty heirloom produce is not sprayed with any toxic chemicals. I get free rotten hay bales from farmers for mulch and fertilizer from our chickens. I save seeds from varieties that do well in our area.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

I let it grow when it happens accidentally.

It happens often because I take my vegetable trimmings and peels to the garden and use it as mulch. I try to remove the seeds and stuff that can grow (like potato peels), but there's often root of garlic that end up mixed with the peel. Which is no big deal. Often, they only start growing in the spring or summer, so I only harvest immature forms. Which is fine. It's not like I was invested in that garlic.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

My parents grow their own vegetables and they even have some beehives and make and sell their own honey.

I once calculated their hourly wages for beekeeping, and I only counted the time they spent harvesting and processing the honey, nothing else. Not even the cost of materials, bees, food, medicine, nothing. Not the time spent doing anything but harvesting.

It came out to ~€5/h.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago

Just don't plant cheap stuff.

I will probably never grow onions, potatoes, corn, celery and other vegetables that are always cheap.

I will plant things that are easy and or pricey. Tomatoes for sure, if I bought the tomatoes at the store I would probably have spent $500 just on tomatoes a season. Chives are also easy to manage and expensive in store. Aspargus is stupid expensive and is almost hard to get rid of once established. Some berry type fruits are also worth growing if you have spare land for them since they come back each year.

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Tomatoes have been bad for us for the last couple of years. Last year, we got a good yield of cherry tomatoes but large tomatoes only started to ripen before the cold killed them. This year, we only planted cherry tomatoes and are just now getting the first few. My coworkers have confirmed that their tomatoes are also super late this year.

You are right about chives, asparagus, and berry bushes. Once those get established, you will have to work to keep them under control.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

we plant onions because that way we never have to think "hey, do we have onions?"

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I have a similar philosophy with basil. It's cheap enough in our stores, but it's way more convenient to always know its outside.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

i have so much goddamn basil, lemon balm, rosemary, lavender and laurel because of this philosophy. every few weeks i pick some and fill a jar for each room of the house. it smells fantastic in here.

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[-] Fermion@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah that's my attitude as well. I grow the things that are significantly better straight out of the garden. The best tomatoes are too fragile to go through the sorting machinery, so growing your own enables much higher quality produce. Berries are way better picked ripe. Green beans are also super easy to grow and are better fresh.

Then there's varieties that just aren't popular enough for many stores to stock and specialty stores are far and expensive: patty pan squash, molokhia, ground cherries, shallots, celery leaves (I don't like the stalk), a variety of herbs, peppers that aren't bell or jalapeno, etc.

[-] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I'm going to grow canning pickles next year because find those specific types in the store is a nightmare, and that's even with someone who works there and can special order them, it's just easier and cheaper to grow my own!

I'd never grow garlic. Store has huge cheap bins of it.

San marzano tomatoes though? Growing. Strawberries? Absolutely growing, the store ones are okay but fresh is amazing.

[-] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

I have a similar view. Plant things that are fun. It is a hobby and it needs to be that. Why bother planting potatoes when they take up a good amount of space and they're cheap?

I plant chives as well, rocket because I love it, weird varieties of chillies, and I'm thinking of adding also other herbs that I can't get easily or that are a faff to get. Coriander is a good example, as I have to get a bag whenever I have to use a tiny bit and the rest goes to waste.

Hobby farming is fun and a great way to get you (and the family) to eat more veggies. Subsistence farming is just painful.

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago

Haha, yeah, asparagus is hard to get rid of. It forms these mats of roots like 8 inches down that hollow out during the fall/winter and then new roots shoot back out through the tubes. That said.. I've never had store bought asparagus that was JUICY. I usually pluck them as as snack to eat while I'm weeding or whatever, they're perfectly tasty raw.

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 8 points 1 week ago

That's why tiktok and youtube shorts are just braindead. I read this other thing where "kids" bought all the cucumbers in stores because there is this crazy new thing called cucumber salad. A week or so later a friend visits me and for some reason it came up and she was like: yeah, i had to try this cucumber thing, because it was everywhere on tiktok, and it turns out it's:s just a salad.

This woman is 36 years old.

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I worked at a grocery store during lockdown and Celtic Sea salt trended on tick tock. We couldn't keep that shit on the shelf. One or two dudes would clean us out as soon as we restocked and flip it online for a huge markup.

It's just fucking salt. You'd have to eat a pound of it to get any sort of benefit from the trace minerals.

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

It's not worth the labor.

This is my perspective. I hate weeding, more than almost anything. I hate crouching and bending over, and shuffling slowly from patch to patch. I hate gardening. I hate getting sweaty and the kind of dirty you get in the garden: gritty, and it finds its way into your shoes and gloves. Gardening sucks.

If I was really invested, I might do hydroponics. Elevated, minimum to no weeds, no crawling around in the dirt. I don't know whether, in the end, I'd actually save any money, though.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

I have a terrible back but love gardening so I invested in 3 foot high bins. They are a life saver for not only my back but keeps rabbits from eating the vegetables. If you get the right soil mixture you don't have to worry about the weeds.

The dirt....you can't do much about that except hydroponics like you said but that has its drawbacks too. At the end, you do what helps you and keeps you happy.

My biggest issue at this point is mosquitoes so I've started wearing long pants and a light jacket. That seems to have helped things.

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[-] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago

Were you trying to grow softneck or hardneck? Most grocery store garlic where I live is softneck garlic from china which doesn't grow well in colder climates. Hardneck garlic, on the other hand, requires a long cold winter in order to flower in the spring. We bought a clove of hardneck from the farmers market, threw two of the biggest cloves in the garden about 6 inches down, and then did absolutely nothing to them for 9 months. The bulb wasn't as large as the original one but I plan to replant 6 or 7 of the second harvest and see what happens. I usually buy garlic just because of how fucking loooooooooong it takes. I'm tryin to make some pasta not a baby!

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[-] Meron35@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago
[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago

Warning: may lead to overpopulation, hierarchy, authoritarian forms of government, malnutrition, slavery, and war. Use at your own risk.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Hunter-gatherers had most of that, too.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Not really. An exception are hunter-gatherers benefitting from the rich marine resources and salmon of Pacific North America, but for most hunter-gatherers:

overpopulation: well, populations tend to hit the carrying capacity, whatever it may be, but I think here it refers to living conditions like with poop being in the street and stuff like that

hierarchy: hardly any to speak of, it's mostly family-based, with special respect for great hunters or people who solve conflicts

authoritarian forms of government: no

malnutrition: of course hunger and famine exists for hunter-gatherers as well, but they generally had much better nutrition than early agriculturalists

slavery: no, they don't have the social organization to manage this

war: meeting strangers was always a dangerous event, and war can exist in specific times and places, more often being small-scale ritualized warfare in places of high productivity, but food production really brought that to another level

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 22 points 1 week ago

once a week i hunt for a shop and gather some groceries.

Just like my forebears

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

You're descended from bears?

[-] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Yes, four of them to be exact.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago
[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And makes the leather fit better.

[-] HenryDorsett@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Might make some other things fit better too, but that isn't my wheelhouse, so I'll let experts weigh in.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

Wait until they stop adopting children after finding out about impregnation

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

12000 years and we’re back

[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

That's nice, now I only need 200k so I can buy a house with a backyard so I can make my own groceries.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

LOL. I started out with a little wooded land, cut trees, cleared it, bought a $1,200 well used mobile home and now have a nice home with three gardens. Buy small and grow.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Where do you live that 200k gets you enough land to grow your own food? Mine was £230k and all I can realistically grow a years supply of in a year is a few types of herbs.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Easy enough. Every country has an area where nobody wants to live. On the side of a mountain, hours away from the next city, maybe on an old garbage tip or an old industrial chemical spill. In Eastern Europe you might even find a cheap piece of land in a mine field. Should be possible.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

I really don't recommend to grow your food on an old garbage pit or an old industrial chemical spill or zone, just in case someone was going to take this seriously.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

There isn't really any unowned land left in England. Some patches that are abandoned perhaps but its not exactly publicised as someone would probably take it if it was well known that there was free land somewhere.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Free not, but there's really cheap land.

I quickly had a look and for example in Burgenland, Austria there's a 1100m² building plot for €50k.

It's far away from anything resembling civilization, but it is land that is buyable.

I found a similar one in Györ-Moson-Sopron in Hungary, with 3000m² for €16k.

You can find similarly priced plots of land all over Europe. Just not anywhere where anyone wants to live.

Edit: sorry, misread England as Europe, my bad. Looking up examples for England.

Edit again: For the £200k that we were talking about before, you can have this nice 6000m² plot of land complete with an old barn: https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/70879656/

I'm sure there are better offers similar to the ones I gave above for other countries, but for some reason UK real estate sites are really hard to navigate, at least for me.

I'm sure if you include North Wales and Northern Scotland in the search you'd find some plots of land that are close to free.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Tbh I would rather a patch of woodland and stick up a cabin, but you normally won't have permission to live on your land and if you do then it usually costs a lot more.

[-] beveradb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

There are still cheap places to live all over England and Scotland - I bought a 1 bedroom flat with small garden for £90k in Peterborough (a smaller city about an hour north of London) 3 years ago, and the garden has enough space for a few raised beds with vegetables in them

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Don't flats like that usually come with the worst of renting and owning though, as you usually still have ground rates that cost quite a bit and the leasehold expires eventually? Plus they usually don't have gardens.

[-] beveradb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Kinda yeah, but I was still able to buy it with only £10k down, my mortgage is only £350/month, and I've repainted the place to suit my taste and cut out a wall to make space for a washing machine (I put a dishwasher in the kitchen instead). Not saying it's for everyone, but it worked for me 🤷

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

Have you tried giving up avocado toast?

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[-] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Garlic factory owners hate this one simple trick.

[-] don@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

This is tiktok after all, so yes, they fully believe they’re the very first to discover agriculture, and no, no one else has yet. It’s so cool to be them, according to them.

[-] ThermonuclearCactus 7 points 1 week ago

My parent's garden has literally thousands of garlic plants that show up unplanned every year. When clearing part of the garden to plant something else, pulling up like 30 garlic stalks is normal. Come harvest time, they give away as much garlic as they can and they still have so much that they have to throw a bunch of it out because it all goes bad before they can use it.

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Make aioli.

EDIT: also, eat Lebanese while you have fresh garlic.

[-] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

I would say they could pickle the garlic... but then they'll probably just end up with too much pickled garlic.

[-] anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Garlic Confit, use like butter, also really nice on sandwiches, caprese, the oil is great for dressings

[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

The garlic at my local store is 69¢ a bulb. Nice!

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