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some people in here are apparently perfect and don't believe others can grow and learn from their mistakes. what a childish self-centered perspective.
only if you insist on treating being a Nazi as something white men grow out of with age
Are there other incurable states of mind that would require people to be shunned forever?
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I'm willing to believe he might have learned from his mistakes, but he was 27 when he did the most egregious things. More than old enough to know better. The older you are when you do stupid shit, the harder it will be for people to forgive you.
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Funny how the comments in this thread went from "haha he's degoogling on YouTube?" to "do you believe in rehabilitation?" - "HE'S A NAZI!!!".
It truly feels like back in the good old Reddit days. You either get popcorn or your pitchfork. There's nothing in-between.
he brought it on himself by accidentally naziing several times, even while he ostensibly apologized after he got called out for it.
he has had a hand in normalizing this shit we're in today and people are right to be angry at him. especially since his alleged rehabilitation has been as quiet as his nazi winks and nods were loud.
i do believe in rehabilitation, but i think for someone his size you can't just do it quietly. you have to be against it and try to right your wrongs. that's what hunter avallone did for example, and he's significantly smaller than pewdiepie.
pewdiepie's damage was much more consequential and he has a responsibility to do more than not casually naziing anymore.
What did this "quiet rehabilitation" even entail? Did he actually take responsibility for the dogwhistles?
don't even know honestly; just responding to people's claims that he's changed.
I think the algorithms and media advertising are setup to monetize outrage and he got big precisely because he was willing to say and do anything for attention.
If not for the algorithms we'd probably not ever have known who pewdie pie is and tbh we'd all be better off forgetting about him.
I'm tired of people talking about the "responsibility of celebrities" - most of them are only there because they're shitty. The system filters for it.
That's human nature. People are complicated, and everyone has negative and positive aspects to them (granted some have mostly negative or mostly positive traits). It's a lot easier to have a black and white opinion on people, either you really like someone or you really don't like someone. When dealing with thousands of famous people that you don't know, simplifying your opinion on them to a black and white opinion is a shortcut we take to keep from getting overwhelmed.
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i don't really know if the linux community should be claiming the guy who casually drops the n word like he breathes air as our guy.
edit: JESUS FUCK y'all have too much time on your hands
FFS, it was years ago, no one is claiming him as "our guy", and he's an extremely influential person so just take the win.
Yeah. Guy does a few Nazi things and anti-Semitic things a few years ago and he has to live with that reputation forever? . And come on, why are you living in the past? Just because Kanye straight off said some Nazi shit every few months? Dude, separate the art from the artist!
Oh, and Kevin Spacey did a bit of rape back then. But it was so long ago!
And while we're here, Bill Cosby drugged those girls in the 70s. Like my dude, who wasn't a little edgy back then?
Yes, because those are all equivalent situations
You're going to equate a word with being a Nazi and rape? Using a racial slur is literally a small subset of being a Nazi.
If you think calling people Jews was the big issue with the Nazis, well...
Nah I'm saying you say racist shit, you don't get off the hook.
Is there an avenue to getting off the hook? Apologizing and not doing it again? Or does he lose everything for the rest of his life?
For context, I barely know who pewdiepie is. I just have to imagine that when public figures fuck up, maybe there's a spectrum of available consequences other than "they must lose their job and never been spoken of again."
He didn't really apologize at all. He brushed it off, moved on, and then everyone pretended like it didn't exist.
His PR machine worked hard to clean up his mess.
Imagine if JK Rowling's got quiet then two years later, came back and everyone gaslight you into saying they just went through a phase.
And yet, I'm the one getting heavily down voted.
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I was thinking QtPie, who is a much nicer person.
Pretty sure PewDiePie is an ass, but "he said a racial slur once ten years ago" isn't a great argument against anyone, generally.
So I decided to look up the article, and see what the defense was.
Here's the article: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Screen-Shot-2019-09-19-at-16.04.33.jpg
And indeed, it does seem to be a Vetements piece he's wearing. I could not however find the exact outfit, but those are the Georgian designer's signature, in Georgian letters, which can be compared here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demna_(designer)
In looking through some videos from that era, he is wearing multiple articles of clothing from Vetements which tracks. So it's not a one off piece of clothing he was wearing from that company.
As for the cross, it is a design used in Georgia, including on their traditional flags:
And it is known as a Bolnisi Cross
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolnisi_cross
And can even be found in ancient Georgian architecture, specifically with a circle around it:
It is similar to the German iron cross, except the iron cross always has white or iron bolding, which the Bolnisi Cross does not
(You can compare them in these search results: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=fpas&q=german+iron+cross&ia=images&iax=images)
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Was it a repeated occurrence?
No, and he apologized
Yup. We see this with StopKillingGames too where it is "Well. So what if asmongold literally advocated for genocide and ethnic cleansing? He is on our side and that is what is most important!".
pewdiepie I think mostly fell off the past few years so no idea if he has shown any sign of growth. But it is still a GREAT message to say "Racism is less important than my OS of choice"
Pretty much. The whole "Internet is forever" doesn't mean shit if you can be a dick and then throw money to PR fix your reputation.
Just to be clear: if someone has actively shown growth then I am all for them moving past shit (obviously the amount of growth required depends on the level of shitty before but). James Gunn being kind of the poster child for that where he was an edgelord dipshit when he was younger. But every time that comes up, almost everyone around him makes it clear that he has grown significantly and he owns up to it every time.
Like... look at idubbz. I, and many others, aren't sure if we can ever actually "forgive" him considering how much abuse we received because of people directly quoting his hate. But he also (at least briefly. Not sure what he has done since) made it a big point of actually APOLOGIZING. And... getting a lot of shit and hatred from other youtubers who refuse to apologize for their shittiness for whatever reason (shoutout to moistcritical for breaking his apolitical stance to aggressively insist Ian didn't need to apologize for slurs and bigotry...).
Contrast that with "he said the N word a lot a few years back but hasn't done it recently" with no indication beyond that.
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Serious question.
Do you believe in rehabilitation? I think its admirable for someone to overcome their shortcomings. Especially considering that we are all products of our environments.
To my understanding he apologized for the horrific things he said in the past and is attempting to better himself as a person. I don't see him continuing to be a problematic person.
Who here hasn't said or done regrettable things?
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The problem with extremists is that they cannot see purity in anybody else but themselves.
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But you fuck one sheep...
I was gonna say, isn't he a shithead? I don't really know. Maybe he grew up.
Edit: sounds like he apologized, good for him!
I don't claim to know him but I think he was a foolish kid who is now learning the error of his ways. He never struck me as someone who was intentionally malicious but rather someone who is very uninformed and didn't realize it. He said it once in a stream, he used it to mean basically "asshole" when someone killed him. I'm sure he knew it was racist, but he probably didn't know the WHY to why it was or the real cultural significance it has in the US, he's swedish, he's so far removed from American culture. And I don't think he realized the impact of saying that and some of his other comments had on his young impressionable fans.
It SEEMS like he's becoming more politically left leaning and has unlearned some of his bias he had in the past. I don't know for sure but I hope he has.
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YouTuber…Degoogling
Nobody tell him.
Yes let him remove his source of income in order to be the most rightous!!! It's respectable that he's doing it as much as he can
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I don't see the problem here. Just because you upload stuff on Youtube doesn't mean you need to be tied to every other service. This isn't something like being a vegan where if you wear leather boots, you're not a "true vegan".
Black and White thinking is the death of any movement you're 100% spot on, everything has nuance
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I love his new path in content. Seems like he grew up to be a positive influence in the ethical tech regard.
I still remember his arch linux vid he did
Impossible! Nobody can remember something that happened a few weeks ago!
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I am not a follower of his, but I am certainly an advocate for de-ing having just finally rid myself of Micros**t, which was preceded by getting rid of almost all of the family streaming subs.
The Steamdeck is actually a great device for this simply because it is a very functional pc in desktop mode. Throw in a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, with even a generic dock and it can rival most laptops, especially with the added video capabilities it already has.
I find myself using it as a pc almost as much as a gaming device, just because it works so well for both.
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Pretty interesting usage of his Steam Deck. I feel like it was overkill lol. But as he said, sometimes it's cool to just use what you have.
If he’s “going all in on deGoogling”, perhaps he should be using a Youtube alternative?
I know it seems kinda ironic. But the way to reach lots of people is to post on YouTube. If you want to reach people and stop them from using google you're not going to reach them on some obscure platform that no one uses.
And the people using those obscure platforms have already degoogled so your basically preaching to the choir if you use them.
There is no real Youtube alternative, he talked about still using Youtube in the video
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Any idea of this guy made any significant impact when he installed Linux recently?
Linux has had a major increase in usership lately if I recall right, and supposedly windows has lost a major number of users (although mostly people dropping desktops for just phones).
No idea if PewDiePie contributed or not.
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