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[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 148 points 1 month ago

The explanation given in the picture condemns capitalism, not socialism.

Capitalism is the system that assumes actors work in their own rational self interest. It's when capitalism gives "free stuff" that people need to worry about the hidden cost.

The transaction in this case is that the mouse trades its life for a chance of getting food. But, as is typical for capitalism, the person who offers the transaction is intentionally concealing its true cost, making it impossible for the mouse to make any rational decision.

The person who originally made that meme seems to believe that socialism simply means "free stuff". But a mouse trap baited with food is an absolutely textbook example of capitalism.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 62 points 1 month ago

capitalism will you give me free social media

for increased social bandwidth with friends?

yesssssss

actually creates a hellhole of ad supported data theft, harassment, misinformation, and networks of abuse

[-] knighthawk0811@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

if you don't already own capital, everything you buy is paid for with your labor/body/self.

every day we give over small pieces of ourselves just to live in a world that someone else created.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago

Until I got to your comment I actually thought I had read capitalism. I just thought it was the "if it's free, you're the product".

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, I read it and said, "Where's the government?" I don't think you can have socialism without a government or some equivalent. If it's just two entities interacting without outside regulation, then it's definitely not something specific to socialism.

[-] match@pawb.social 4 points 1 month ago

socialism is when the people own the mousetrap

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's closer to the way communism is generally used. Socialism would be more like if the government had a mousetrap program where it distributed mousetraps to people with rodent problems.

I say "generally used" because some people have used "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably, but I think it's just confusing to do that today.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 40 points 1 month ago

Don't mice eat free all their lives? It's their nature. Humans decide to kill them based on "My cheese!"

[-] kinsnik@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

yeah. it is not that "mice don't understand why the cheese is free". they don't understand the concept of ownership or money to begin with

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Besides, rodents are monarchists, not socialists

[-] CPMSP@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] pyre@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

mice don't pay taxes dumbass

[-] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

How do you know?! Maybe mice do pay taxes! Maybe mice are secretly the illuminati too!!……BIRDS AREN'T REAL THEY'RE JUST GOVERNMENT DRONES!!!

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The Mouse paid 1.33 billion in income tax alone last year.

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

and thats about to change thanks to zohran

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Meanwhile, people voting for Trump because they think they’re going to get $500 of cheddar during tax season.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Look I had this dream about Jesus not coming back until we ate the giant wheel of cheese that they rolled in front of his tomb now we just gotta find the right cheese

[-] Aliktren@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Facebook is socialist, apparently

[-] m4xie@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 month ago

Mice die in mouse traps because I buy the 'humane' ones then forget to check them for weeks, leading to much greater cruelty than normal ones.

[-] prole 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I had an issue with mice a couple of years ago, and it came to blows. I am not proud to say that I committed some horrific atrocities to mouse-kind that will haunt me for the rest of my days.

That said, legends of my brutality must have spread because I haven't had a mouse issue in years.

[-] SpiceyDejarik@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago

We had an issue with mice coming inside at our old house. But we had 7 cats, so the problem was I would come into the kitchen in the morning to find blood streaks on the floor where the cats had their fun with the latest intruder. Then I had to dispose of the body. So I never had to partake in the cruelty myself, but I had to deal with its aftermath.

The mice never seemed to figure out that ours was a house of death. But we had a really cool exterminator that wouldn't try to up-sell us on stuff. He always gave us good advice on dealing with various pests. He helped us find the places where the mice were getting in the house and seal them. That's the best solution if you can do it.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Otherwise, what's the plan once you catch them?

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Drive far away and release them?

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Drive to Alberta and release them.

[-] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

So long as it's not rats, I'm cool with it

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Considering the urban sprawl here that would make it someone else's problem, not cool

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 26 points 1 month ago

Mice die in mousetraps because they need the cheese to live, and have no control over the means in which the metal bar clamps down

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 month ago

yea, if you're dumb enough to think that reading a book can "turn" someone gay, then of course you're going to think libraries are traps that will kill you. republicans are so fucking stupid

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 20 points 1 month ago

Ironically, the closest thing I can think of to this concept actually applying in humans would be "free" internet stuff that is actually funded by advertising and personal data harvesting, which is unrelated to socialism but does describe the place that original post looks to have come from.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 18 points 1 month ago

but it's not free I'm paying for it

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

It’s been a minute since I’ve seen one of these “Socialism is when Capitalism” switcharoos.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Step 1. Mice should rise up against their human oppressors

Step 2. Obtain free Cheeze

Step 3. ???

Step 4. "All mouse equal, Some mouse more equal than others."

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I see you moved past communism and straight into Leninism,

That means step three is "lose an election".

[-] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Mix some oats into the peanut butter and roll into a marble sized ball. Much easier to handle and mold onto the traps trigger assembly.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 month ago

good tip but id want to eat it myself

[-] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 8 points 1 month ago

Lol capitalism is good because they move would pay for the cheese

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

From everyone according to their ability, to everyone a high speed spring loaded metal bar.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago
[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Also please sign up for a free account to our service!

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Stop funding the military then.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago

i’m working on it

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Also I'd rather give up peanut butter and eat the cheese

[-] MercuryGenisus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

All I can think of here is Government Cheese. Murica.

this post was submitted on 29 Jun 2025
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