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[-] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 105 points 4 days ago

When people point out the west is far from being the "good guys" shit like this is what they have in mind. USA and Europe supported israel and armed it to teeth making possible for the fascist israel government to conduct such attacks. If you don't accept that our governments are as much rigged and evil as russia or china these useless war will never cease.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 44 points 4 days ago

Why would you think people in the west would be upset about this?

If anything, the west has armed the shit out of Israel so they can do exactly this. Iran is a major Russian ally/puppet and an Islamic theocracy having nukes would be a very bad thing indeed. That's not to say Israel hasn't lied about why they've done this, because the footage of burning buildings in the middle of cities speak for themselves. They don't look like no "nuclear research facilities" I've ever seen, so we're clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).

Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map. Sure, those attacks hurt Israel, but they hurt Palestinians a whole lot more. Iran was just hoping that the resulting genocide stopped the west funding them.

If people in the west want this to stop (and lets be honest, any voting choices are pointless because all our major parties support war in the middle east), then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.

[-] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 28 points 4 days ago

so we’re clearly back to just bombing entire buildings to kill one person (if they were even there).

To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.

Iran knew full well what the response would be when they armed Hamas for the October attacks. It would mean Gaza being wiped off the map.

And so does israel government. They are aware that attacking iran may result in a war where thousand civilians may die but they don't give a shit about it.

then we need to stop using oil and gas, so this whole area can go back to being a chunk of irrelevant desert so that all major players can take their fucking fingers out of it.

The area house some of the oldest cultures in the world, read its history. We should indeed stop using oil and gas and that's something "extremists" have preach for decades warning us against global warming and conflicts.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 4 days ago

To me it sound like after admitting a war crime you are still pretending to be one of the good guys.

Don't mistake me pointing out what they're doing for support of that "tactic". Iran does not have infinite resources to build new facilities. You blow those labs up, it's gone. Blow it up in the day, so were those nuclear scientists. Israeli intel is pretty damn good, even if their military are inhumane savages. They know where the facilities are, and they can knock them out whenever they want.

There is exactly one regional threat to Israel's existence, and it's a nuclear armed Iran.

And they do indeed have some of the oldest cultures in the world, but it all got a hell of a lot worse when we found oil under it.

[-] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 14 points 4 days ago

Israeli intel is pretty damn good

It's not good at all. Israel forces have been murdering so many civilians that collateral damage has become part of their plans. What they are doing won't result in any peace or safety, they are setting the ground for even more conflicts which is exactly what those in power want. They are pretty damn good at serving their fascist ruler.

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[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 13 points 4 days ago

What do you want Iran to do when they get imposed heavy sanctions from everywhere they have no option but to rely on Russian again. Iran could have been a normal country with good relation will all country but the west interfered and organized a coup to back up a dictator.

Iran autocracy is an internal affair no foreign countries government has to interfere. We can just as people protest the theocracy but not supporting killing Iranians under the pretext of democracy like we did in Iran.

If you really cared about democracy you would have also pretested american support for Saudi arabia

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 66 points 4 days ago

Iran has the right to defend itself.

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago

Iran has the right to defend itself.

[-] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 9 points 4 days ago

The exact copy paste comment is weird

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

yeah. It was when genocide apologists were saying it about netanyahu's genocidal apartheid regime, too. So get used to it.

Iran has the right to defend itself.

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 136 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You guys remember when you woke up and our biggest problem was Disney disappointing people with its Star Wars trilogy?

Kinda miss those times now.

[-] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 44 points 5 days ago

I remember the time before everyone and their mother lived chronically online and were constantly bombarded with (fake) news. Terrible stuff - wars, famine, whatnot - has always happened, now we just know about it instantly.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Not to ruin your moment, but both the Rwandan genocide and the Bosnian genocide happened several years before the star wars prequels

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[-] Soleos@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

The Last Jedi and and Rise of Skywalker came out during Trump's first term, UK had triggered article 50, natural disasters, North Korea was ramping up nuclear testing, a new age of fake news was taking shape, trade war, rise of Hindu nationalism... you know what you're right, I do miss those times compared to now... But you know maybe this is the second act when things are most dire before... Well depends on the story arc 😅

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

Iran has the right to defend itself.

[-] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 129 points 5 days ago

All those morons who voted for trump hope you enjoy being even more broke for the next decade and your sons going to war to die so rich cunts can get richer

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 days ago

As if this only started under Trump...

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago

This is one of those cases where both sides really are the same.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

good thing I stoped giving a shit if their kids die.

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COULD YOU PLEASE STOP SHOUTING I HEAR YOU VERY WELL WITHOUT THAT, THANK YOU.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 55 points 4 days ago

Wake up babe, hot new axis of terror just dropped.

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

It's an old one. The US has been aligned wirh Israel for decades.

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[-] Gbagginsthe3rd@aussie.zone 70 points 5 days ago
[-] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Fuck sexist and homophobic theocracy.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

Which one? They're all like that.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago

Fuck pinkwashing apartheid.

[-] smol_beans@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I wonder why Iran has a theocracy instead of a democracy. They used to have a democracy, what happened to it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

I agree, fuck Israel!

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 15 points 4 days ago

Why the united snake don't bomb saudis then?

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[-] b161 26 points 4 days ago

“Military sites”

They’re residential buildings.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

They'll be hitting hospitals next with the same pretext.

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[-] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago

Welp, we had a good run. See ya in the trenches. Or whatever.

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 41 points 5 days ago

I don't know what trench I'll end up in if I get drafted. Greenland? Canada? Panama? Iran?

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

Followed predictably by Iran directly attacking Tel Aviv.

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 22 points 4 days ago

Uncritical support of Iran please kick in the face of Israel and USA

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 53 points 5 days ago
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[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago

The Zionist regime will kill us all

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago
[-] errer@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago

As shitty as this is, I think Iran is a paper tiger. Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now. I don’t think they’re going to be able to successfully counterattack in any meaningful way.

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago
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[-] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 20 points 5 days ago

How does the attacked country being a "paper tiger" influence your judgement of whether it's shitty or not to attack it? Is it less shitty to attack a country because it's perceived as being weaker? Is it only shitty when the attacked country is able to defend itself? Why? That would make the Israeli genocide on Palestinians "less shitty" too, since you know, "Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now."

It's an interesting moral compass you've got there.

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

I read his post as "as shitty as this is, it's not likely to break out into a full scale war we'll get pulled into". It's not about it being morally okay, or at least I didn't take it that way.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago

They literally proved they had munitions that could defeat Israel's air defenses just a few months ago.

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[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago

Inshallah, Trump abandons Israel to deal with Iran by themselves because he doesn't want to be blamed for WWIII.

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