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Most of you said you’d switch to Proton Mail for the privacy, even if it meant giving up some of the convenience of Gmail.

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[-] Broken@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, this isn't really scientific or anything. The details of he survey aren't really discussed in detail, and its not random sampling... Its readers of android authority.

That's nearly equivalent of saying, the majority of people in this privacy group care more about privacy than google features.

I'd be interested to see a broad survey like this though to get a real sense of how the general publics views on privacy are changing.

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

Gmail has features? Fucking where?

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

If users want privacy, then they should have never used gmail in the first place.

[-] Owlboi@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

honestly i believe the reason so many people are never gonna switch from google is because so many services allow you to use your google as an easy one click register/login. its so convenient that i have friends who'd rather have all their privacy be infringed than to give that up.

not to mention the dozens of services google provides themselves, from maps to mail to search to whatever the fuck

similar to apple, its an ecosystem. one of convenience.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

100%. it's SO annoying to remember passwords especially when my phone doesn't auto save them 50% of the time because it doesn't feel like it.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

It's called the Googleverse.

Many people don't know the difference between the Google search bar and the URL bar anymore.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Email doesn't need "features." It's been a solved problem for decades.

[-] msage@programming.dev 3 points 13 hours ago

It does need a PGP integration.

I mean I know why it won't, and never in Gmail, but we do need it.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I agree.

I guess most of these people don't understand the difference between the protocol/server and the client software, and most of those use the web ui anyhow.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 86 points 1 day ago

Gmail's only feature that made it compelling was an inbox of 1GB when everyone else was doing 20MB. Oh, and using Ajax to make it slightly more responsive.

None of the other stuff they added matters, especially if you're using a mail client.

[-] lemming@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

I also think labels are the right way to organise emails. It was pretty unique at the time, and I think it still isn't common.

And frankly, I like gmail's interface more than Thunderbird's, for example.

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[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Andy Yen tipped his hand, he’s a trumpbitch. Money you pay them supports a facist fuck

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Fun fact: Fascism is not thinking republicans will do better than democrats in pursuing antitrust battles against big tech for the benefit of smaller businesses.

Please don't use this word at random, plenty of people in my country (and many others) died fighting fascism.

[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Fun fact: Trump is 100% a facist fuck, which is who I was referring to. He’s a self enriching oligarch wanna be who is literally killing people.

GOP sucks Trump ass on the reg. GOP is not only complicit, they enable, and support authoritarianism and anti freedom patterns.

Get your head in the fucking game if you’re correcting people.

PEOPLE ARE DYING NOW

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

which is who I was referring to

So when you said

money you pay them go to support a facist

You meant Trump...Sorry, I am going to doubt that. I am quite sure that sentence meant "money you pay to Proton go to their CEO (a fascist)". Why money would go to Trump otherwise...is Proton sponsoring Trump? Hence my comment.

Alternatively, your comment was completely off-topic and unrelated to the post. Possible, I simply assumed you were not lost on the internet.

[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 39 points 1 day ago

Like Google is going to do that. The entire reason for gmails existence is to gather data from its users.

[-] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 11 points 1 day ago

It's ridiculous how user data has become such a big commodity.

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[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Ultra Private E-Mail

look inside

The most basic ass unencrypted email

[-] Resplendent606@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I highly recommend Disroot.org. I switched as part of my deGoogling and I am very happy.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

It's not like Proton mail is the only alternative. And like the article points out, you don't get encryption anyway, since almost no one else you'd be communicating with is going to be on Proton. I use (and recommend) posteo.de but there are other good alternatives for email. But if you want encrypted communication you'll need to use an app designed for that, not email.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago

I never quite understand why people use Proton. It just automates the exchange of PGP/GPG keys, but only if the other person also uses Proton, right?

Anyhow, +1 to paying a small amount of money for email. I was with posteo.de myself for many years. I heard mailbox.org is even better/safer and has slightly more features. Both start at 1€/month.

BTW, I set up an eternal redirect email address a long time ago, so I can change the actual provider without having to tell all my contacts.

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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Is Proton still an alternative? I subscribed to Tuta for a year but I'm not too happy with their apps. Feels like low-grade web apps disguised as mobile apps.

[-] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago

Used it for years now, 100% worth the money and the bundled cloud storage and vpn are both great.

[-] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Absolutely not, Proton’s CEO went on a rant about how he loves Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s all funneled to his dad Putin. I’ve been looking for Proton thats not Proton

[-] Trihilis@ani.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He never said he loved Trump. He said he supported the push against big tech which seemed most likely with republicans.

Yes still very dumb and republicans are lying sacks of shit.

I dont use proton and I'm kinda sceptical about them. Especially since Switzerland is potentionaly introducing a very privacy unfriendly law. And also because of said tweet, but please state facts and don't exaggerate since it really doesn't help with anything.

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

The tweet (can a tweet even qualify as a rant, given the length?):

Great pick by @readDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys [small businesses, n.d.r. as explained on reddit], but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.

A rant about how he loves Trump?

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think I'm leaning towards your side here. I'm sorry for starting a war in the comments, by the way. 😅 It was a hot topic!

I still find it weird that the Proton CEO is so adamant about pitting republicans against democrats so hard, like it's black or white, red pill vs blue pill. If he supports the choice that was made, he could easily just say that he thinks the choice was good, without putting all the focus on who made the choice. That's the weird part for me. 😓 That's what makes me suspicious of the intentions of the tweet.

But yeah, anyway, it definitely wasn't a love letter like that, no. 👍

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[-] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago
[-] shifty@leminal.space 13 points 1 day ago

Some food for thought, (excerpt from Louis Rossmann's reply to the top pinned comment):

"with regards to products: if you want to only buy shoes, razors, cars, caulking materials, etc, made by companies & people who support all of your political beliefs, you're going to lose that game very fast. you will waste your life doing the following:

  1. researching every item you buy to death
  2. making these items yourself once you realize it's impossible to find each item you want made by someone who mirrors your ideology
  3. give up & live in a cave

The moment you go down that road of throwing away software products and services because they are made by people whose political beliefs do not reflect yours, you are going to end up living in a cave. That is a lonely world. It doesn't even work!! People who bought the Tesla Model 3 a few years ago would have Ford F-250 Turbo Diesel drivers speed up in front of them and roll coal in their face. And now that same person is getting called a Nazi!!!

the political beliefs of the software i use are irrelevant to me. They only become relevant when these questions arise:

  1. does it stop me from using the software the way i want?
  2. do their political beliefs keep them from being able to make a functioning product?

for gnome, #2 is yes. gnome was bad 10 years ago,it was bad 5 years ago, and it's bad now. i used gnome for a very short time period earlier in 2024 out of morbid curiosity. my machine had 128 gigabytes of ram, rtx-2080, threadripper 2950x processor and gnome still lagged. XFCE just worked! on top of that, gnome sucked to use. i am not using gnome: whether it's "woke" or "anti woke" or whatever else.

if we're at a point in the world where we choose our web browser by the political views of its programmers... we're screwed"

[-] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

This argument is so weird to me.

Maybe I’m a huge nerd, but I love researching who I’m supporting behind the products and services I use, just in general. If I happen to learn someone has weirdo politics it’s not “researching everything to death,” it’s being careful with my hard earned money.

[-] jmf@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago

I understand you perspective completely. I assume it is a similar battle to achieving digital privacy. It is a good fight to fight and research, but a balance must be found between moral purity and actually living life. It's great when you can get them to align as much as possible, but you could always go further and cut more out, to the point of greatly reducing your quality of life. Maybe you should be reducing your quality, I don't know.

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