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Cure for X-Men
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The best response came right afterwards
This one has been making the rounds, and I have to say, we need to consider that maybe the answer is The Last Stand is a very bad movie.
Look it's exceptionally bad, but it does have Gandalf politely rejecting wolverines offer of a free surgical examination.
“I just want a cure to be an OPTION to those who want it.”
“OH SO YOU SUPPORT EUGENICS NOW?!”
Was it an option for Angel in that movie?
Lmao i didn't even get past "kills everything she touches" without my adhd brain flying away and imagining how sad and lonely she must be and how on order to have human touch, she'd have to find somebody either incapable of dying or who can realive themselves. Like a living-dead girl. Also I assumed she was gay for some reason.
You should definitely check out this 20 page short comic: https://imgur.com/gallery/wolverines-job-isnt-always-easy-to-do-I71V6
It's basically that, and Wolverine goes in because his regeneration keeps him alive
(Edit: From Marvel's Ultimate X-Men Vol. 1 #41)
Sheesh that's kinda dark.
Jesus CHRIST. There was no other solution? I get the pragmatism, but... Fuck. This is like an actual mercy killing.
I'm not a big comic fan (I've only read small snippits like this), but this is from the "ultimates" storyline, which to my understanding is an alternate universe where things are... much bleaker than normal Marvel
Damn, that's a good comic. Dark superhero comics are definitely my thing; Worm/Ward (Parahumans universe by Wildbow, online fiction) are good recommendations if anybody likes this sort of thing
Like Logan?
Nah, Wolverine was canonically cishet last I checked 🤷
Wolverine? He can die, can't he? He's just really really hard to kill, to my knowledge, and just regenerates really really fast. But if she touches somebody and they instantly die.... That won't make much difference. Unless he's ACTUALLY immortal, rather than just effectively/virtually immortal and just really really hard to kill.
Her touch isn't instant death, but it's fast enough that it makes no difference to most people. His regeneration can keep up, but barely. And at the end of the first movie, he does touch her.
He's fine in the source material
Except her power is to take other people's powers. Theirs stops working shortly after contact is made. His regeneration might help for a few seconds... Until it stops working because she stole it.
It has been a while since I've seen the movie, so I looked it up to make sure. Her power is to borrow other people's powers through physical contact. Essentially, if contact is short and he can regain his power fast enough (which he does), he's fine. Those few seconds his regeneration helps with are all he needs.
That doesn't do a whole lot to help with the touch issue this entire thread was about. When people talk about wanting human touch, they don't mean just a half second tap.
Huh? Rogue's power is that she sucks power/energy out of other people, wolverine regenerates so he's fine.
This happened in the movies. He survived, but was not "fine".
He really gave her the gift of life 💦
Regeneration is his power. She takes powers. Regeneration won't help him for very long.
Wolverine? He can die, can’t he?
Depends on the author and how "important" he is to the story. In the original civil war comic arc, a Nitro dude exploded him down to the shiny bones. Wolvie came back from that in 5 minutes. On the days of future past comic arc in the 80s, oldverine dies from a sentinel blast that also leaves him as just metal bones.
Ridiculous with it in the 2000s. In the old days it was he just heals faster than most and take a beating but he can still die. I remember one where he was sneaking onto a ship or something and was starving so he cannibalize his own arm which didn't make sense. Also another one had a story about how he was in a concentration camp in WW2 and kept get incinerated and coming back. Just tons of dumb shit like that that made the character less interesting.
That's not even counting the guy that instantly dissolved everyone around him and the X-Men sent Logan to take him out.
I always hated this plot line in these movies. No one has any empathy for the struggles Rogue is going though. Everyone else can be both a living weapon and have a normal life, but Rogue has to choose. If you wanted to framed this as trans metaphor, everyone else looks like a bunch of bigots. Honestly, the more and more you breakdown what Xavier is doing, the more and more he just looks like a different kind of villain. Seriously, how many of the mutants powers ever get explored for non-combat reasons? If this was just about adults, it'd be one thing, but this guy is in charge of children who are being kept away from their parents.
But nope, in Storm's eyes, Rogue is perfect just the way she is. As a living weapon.
I think this may have been were I started thinking there's something wrong with Hollywood and comic book writers.
The Doom Patrol hits that plot point a lot harder than the X-Men. The tv series is excellent.
It really is fantastic as a show. The sex ghost episode is hilarious
Edit: also the phrase "disembodied chumbawumba" entered my lexicon from that show.
Seriously, how many of the mutants powers ever get explored for non-combat reasons? If this was just about adults, it’d be one thing, but this guy is in charge of children who are being kept away from their parents.
We do see glimpses here and there, but most of it takes background to the fighting, or is shortly ended because the school blew up, the rest of humanity ordered a genocide on all Mutants, and got caught in the crossfire, etc.
I feel like that X-Men could benefit from taking a leaf off of Transformers, and having a series set up after peace was made, when everyone's trying to readjust to peacetime, and deal with all of that.
But nope, in Storm’s eyes, Rogue is perfect just the way she is. As a living weapon.
In fairness, Storm is shown to be wrong in saying that there's nothing wrong with Rogue in the rest of the movie, and that she doesn't need to be cured.
The tone of the movies always felt off. Someone, anyone should have called out Storm and sided with Rogue's choice. Even if they disapprove of what Storm is saying, they just silently sat there.
Yeah, and all the cure-framing is fucked, but they failed to show this. They are mutants, so changing them into ordinary humans means at least re-writing all the cells in the body, which is way more drastic a change than what we now know as gender transition. This kind of changes is not a fucking cure, it is mutation of different kind, in the terminology of this universe
They are mutants, so changing them into ordinary humans means at least re-writing all the cells in the body, which is way more drastic a change than what we now know as gender transition.
Especially as for some of them, their Mutations are required for them to be compatible with life. You can't meaningfully change that without risking death or serious injury.
It's also rarely shown with much nuance. The cure more or less ends up being portrayed as a way to eradicate Mutants entirely, with the implication that it'll be mandated, rather than as a way to improve quality of life for those with mutations that could harm it, like the one kid who destroyed all organic matter in the radius of a few kilometres, rather than a weaker one to limit a Mutation so it won't cause issues, or remove it if they want.
This is why I don't join fandoms. It's just nicer to like what I like and not have to deal with everybody else's wrong takes.
Gloves don't help?
But what if she touches herself? Her power has a exception rule? She can't exploit that?
She kills by sucking the life out of people. If she sucked the life of herself, it would just be replaced by itself.
this post was submitted on 05 May 2025
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