Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

Okay but the point is they should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win.

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

We have two corporate parties, the status quo and the controlled opposition. They occasionally switch labels but until we get the corporate out, we will never have a real choice.

I still feel like the dnc is going to lean heavy into Buttigieg. He's young, an eloquent speaker, a sharp debater. He clearly is down to play ball with the dnc establishment as they want him to (stepped aside for Biden to get a cabinet position) , and they hope that he's baggage free enough (Kamala and her Marijuana prosecutions) that progressives will vote for him. Yes, he's gay, and the hardcore magats won't like that, but I think older suburban voters would rather have someone sane that's gay than insane and straight.

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

Isn't there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you're all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.

WHY?

It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.

You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that's how you know you're reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.

Also, counter narratives are great because you don't have to substantiate anything. ' ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ' - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I've been on the other side of that. It's a brilliant rhetorical tactic.

You don't even have to keep arguing, you can just post 'sounds dumb' or 'bad argument' or nothing at all and just leave!

Bots wouldn't exist if posting comments on the internet didn't do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.

Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.

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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

I'm a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren't going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don't mourn. Organize!

Friendly reminder that the goal behind posting memes like this is to instill a sense of cynicism and discourage political participation from people who hold progressive values. A key indicator here is the use of the nefarious-but-nebulous "they" which is commonly used in antisemitic-coded "globalist" or "cabal" conspiracy theories.

Democracy in America is unequal and unfair but the "deep state" the way conspiracy theorist portray it is simply not real.

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

Yes AOC #2, but Kamala...

Writing was on the wall here. Need to get rid of the dinosaurs to have any chance at all.

You mean Hilary. This is clearly the chance to beat that dead horse again!

Personally, I would be ok with J.B. Pritzker. Don't love that he's a billionaire. On the other hand, he's the best governor Illinois has had in ages and seems to be trying to do right by his constituents.