100%. Prior to Election Day? Get a democratic butt in every race and challenge the people advocating for puppy sacrifices.

Unfortunately we are at a point where only one party can be fixed.

Do you see us electing ourselves out of this mess (that we elected ourselves into)?

I don't care if the dem wants to sacrifice puppies on weekends.

How's that been working for you? It looks to me like this attitude brought us Trump. Maybe it's time the Democrats started demanding better.

I say demanding. Sitting out an election doesn't count. The system doesn't change just because you refuse to participate.

The problem is, all that fighting, criticizing and finger pointing can be weaponized. That’s why FUD works.

You just amplify any legit concerns until they seem worse than Trump.

I’m convinced most of the leftists on here are either foreign actors or repeating their talking points.

You’re absolutely right.

The billionaire owner class is at the root of all this. They own the politicians, they buy up the media outlets and bot farms to control the narrative, and they make our lives miserable in order to further pad their already incomprehensibly massive bank accounts.

Working class must look out for each other. We have so much more in common with our brothers and sisters across the aisle than we ever will have with these parasitic elites.

I bet we could get even more of these conservatives on our side if we promised to repeal gay marriage. Let's try that, too

Ooh, and we could get even more people if we promised to put the Jews in camps

If you aren't going to fight for that "1% of athletes" even though you think they're right just because they're too politically inconvenient then I have zero faith you'll fight for me when I'm politically inconvenient and actually need you to

Liberals will say shit like this and then be baffled why leftists don't want to fall in line behind the party of moderate fascists.

You throw trans people under the bus and you also lose, or at least depress turnout, of everyone who supports trans rights. You also make it clear to every minority that if they're in the crosshairs next, they'll be sacrificed next for the same reasons of political convenience. Jews represented <1% of the population of Weimar Germany, and you may be familiar with a poem about what happened after they came for them.

Furthermore, by ceding ground to the Republicans on this you make them look correct and you discredit your own side for having previously denounced their position as bigoted, which makes people more likely to support Republicans. We saw this happen with the border, when the Democrats turned from "Building the wall is racist" to "We're the ones who are actually going to build the wall," they didn't win over moderate republicans, instead they lost on virtually every demographic. The people who are pro-immigration hated it and the people who are anti-immigration saw their views as being validated and if they had any lingering reservations about voting Republican, those reservations vanished.

Framing politics as a Trolley Problem is extremely stupid, and fundamentally not how the world works, it's liberal brainrot and one of the reasons Democrats are worthless. They literally did this "strategic" sacrifice with Palestinians and immigrants (and it's not like they fully supported trans rights either) and they still ate shit with the worst electoral map since the Republicans took California. When throwing trans people to the wolves doesn't work, which minority will you sacrifice next?

“fight for 1% of athletes vs. lose election to Hitlerguy and harm like 50% of the population”

Republicans who got on the "Freak out about transgender policy" lost their elections in droves in 2022. Several big swing Senate seats flipped because guys like Blake Masters and Herschel Walker couldn't stop screaming slurs at campaign rallies. We've seen Republicans scrub out over and over again by downing too much of their own kool-aid.

Democrats didn't lose 2024 because they were too nice to Transgender people. They lost because they were too nice to Liz Cheney. Harris made a big show of aligning with neoconservatives on everything from immigration and trade to military policies against Russia and China to the stubborn endorsement of the Palestine genocide. All of this shit polled worse than support for Transgender civil rights. Harris had no problem throwing the country in front of Hitlerguy to endorse the tear-gassing of Columbia University and the Kids In Cages on the Texas/Mexico border.

Even then... even if you can argue with a stack full of polling papers that Harris knew with perfect certainty and well in advance of the November vote that an impassioned speech in defense of transgender athletes would doom her campaign and subject the US to Hitlerguy, so what? She didn't do this and she still fucking lost.

So she and the rest of her squishy latte liberal cohort threw away a big chunk of LGBTQ support for what? What did Dems gain by embracing reactionary policy?

The problem with this is that it assumes Democrats have no agency. Democratic politicians have treated trans issues like those crusty old male Dems who don't like saying the word abortion.

Dems have never provided loud and full-throated support to trans issues. Go watch the recent John Oliver video on trans sports. There are very very good arguments on why excluding trans people from sports is incredibly anti-scientific and just thinly disguised bigotry. But Democratic politicians have never bothered developing the talking points to defend trans people, like they have for other core issues.

Look at how Kamala responded when asked about trans issues. She didn't provide full-throated support to trans people. Her reply was simply, "I'll follow the law."

Democrats have completely failed to defend trans people. They've quietly passed a few state level anti-discrimination laws, but in terms of rhetoric, they've completely ceded the space to conservatives. The only mainstream voices talking about trans issues have been the anti-trans bigots. The Democrats have instead just called the whole issue a distraction and hoped it would all just blow away.

They're right that it is a distraction, an artificial one concocted by Republicans. But that doesn't mean they can just ignore it.

Propaganda works. And if you don't do the hard rhetorical work to fight it, it eventually does change public opinion.

So, how large does a minority have to be before they are no longer disposable?

I've seen enough infighting already, if anything this joke is late to the punch.

Infighting amongst leftist has literally existed as long as leftist ideology itself has existed. You can't learn the history of the left without reading about dozens of examples.

Tankies... calling socialist countries that succeeded with market socialism revisionist “Tito is a revisionist prick delaying global Revolution”

Hate to break it to you but supporting Tito would make you a tankie in the eyes of most people on Lemmy who use the term (though you may get a pass for denouncing others).

now that I think of it, it works both ways, you could use it to criticise people who vote for Harris as she obviously didn’t have great policies on things like Palestine.

Or you could use it to criticise people who don’t vote because then they let trump win which is far worse for minorities than Harris.