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Summary

The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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[-] Aliktren@lemmy.world 118 points 3 days ago

Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy, hardly suprising facists dont like us

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 40 points 3 days ago

It's the south, they hate that the coasts respect Europe more, and that it's generally atheist (atheist in their mind means anything outside of evangelical southern baptists, ie the true religion).

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago

But Europe has the literal Vatican! That's where the religion comes from!

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

This heretic doesn't know about East-West schism. OG Christians are Orthodox

[-] i_dont_want_to 9 points 2 days ago

I was raised Roman Catholic and I was taught about the schism.

However, it was framed as the Eastern Orthodox Catholics broke off from mainstream Catholicism, therefore Roman Catholics were the "original Catholics."

It does kind of tickle me how much the folks that taught me that, value tradition so highly that they try to rationalize this kind of thing until they once are "traditional."

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

come at me, bro...

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

Southern Baptiats after schisming in order to make the Curse of Ham their dogmatic rationalization of slavery:

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

Interesting. Wild, but interesting. I consider Mormons to be Christian too, I didn't realize it was its own thing, I thought it was just the blanket term for religions that worship Jesus.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Don't sweat it, everyone is just gatekeeping, because only their specific religion is true and everyone else is just evil and siding with Satan.

And they’re all mutually exclusive! So if you’re religious and believe in one of the various Christian offshoots (or really, any faith of Abrahamic origin), no matter which one you pick, you’re going to hell according to most of the others.

[-] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

Same reason they hate Canada.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy,

I think you mean colonialism and white supremacy.

[-] Sgn@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Right? What is this nonsense lol. Go and tell Belgian congo about being a bastion of liberal democracy 😂😂😂

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago

That's because Trump's US is actually Putin's US. And Putin wants Europe weak and malleable.

[-] Wafzig@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.

[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

The USA is well its way to becoming a danger to other countries and a force of evil in the world.

Worse... It appears this change is intentional and deliberate

Meaning they plan on it getting much much worse

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

The USA is well its way to becoming a danger to other countries and a force of evil in the world.

Lol

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago

This is why "living in interesting times" is a curse. Give me the boring decades where nothing happens.

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Yeah that was always meant as a curse

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

This is capitalism. There are no "allies" in the race to destroy the planet.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago

TBF, they want everyone dead.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago

But of course. Democratic countries doing very well with policies far more socialist than would be politically expedient for the US? Can't have that.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

A couple issues.

The Signal chat didn't show that anyone wanted Europe dead. Agree or not, it showed that the administration wants Europe to be responsible for their own military interests (As though the US received nothing from being the security for the West over the past 75 years.)

If they want to see Europe destroyed, those receipts have to come from elsewhere.

Secondly, helping Ukraine is in everyone's interest except for Trump and the GOP. Stopping the stupid fucking tariffs is in America's interests. Trump succumbing to his age is in America's interests.

Don't confuse America's interests with those of the people who want to destroy and weaken America. Other than that, the point is correct. Europe needs to be much more active in Ukraine, even if the US administration may object.

[-] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

US as a security of the west is like running next to a bull to stay safe (better not wear anything red). They were never protecting other nations, but rather their business interests/opportunities. Look at the last example of "protection" deal. "Sign over minerals."; "And then you will protect us, right?"; "You do not hold the cards.".. It's more like finding an exploit, labeling terrorists/freedom fighters, deploying troops ("Say thank you troops"), kill anyone resisting the deal -- profit.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

[-] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 2 days ago

You're a fucking joke if you think that the last 2 months won't have ripple effects outside of the US for the next 75 years.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I'd argue that the last two months have been the culmination of the last ~50 years of US fascism.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I heard someone defederated from Hexbear, but I didn't think it was us.

[-] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The difference these last few months has been the lack of any restraint when talking about it, because of the incredibly low IQ of people in charge rn. When did US ever engage in war without securing wealth or land? Selfless defence is not even on the list of general reasons for war. Number one is economic gain. It's always a defence contract or straight up looting. When all you have is a hammer..

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I assure you, the recent differences are more than just talk.

[-] Mallspice@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not necessarily, they just want to make Europe white again and aren’t very professional.

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