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[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

First you break government. Once broken, privatize everything on the justification of government not working.

Use propaganda to make people hateful and violent towards election workers. Use to loss of election workers to either have the incumbent administration run elections with "impartiality" or cancel elections altogether.

Cut government funding and make everything unpredictable, causing farmers and business owners to go bankrupt. Have oligarchs buy up everything at rock-bottom pricing, and turn the citizens back into serfs, who will be poor enough to shut up and do as they're told.

[-] Pirata@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep, this is the explanation. People are still trying to rationalize "why do this in months, its all gonna collapse!" not understanding that collapse is the actual point.

[-] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Its so disheartening how well its working

[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 4 points 2 days ago

IMO, only 3 things hold social order together....Laws, Consequences, and Prosperity. The loss of any one of those things will result in some pretty nasty stuff. We're not going to go the way of Germany - at least not as fast....there are simply too many guns in this nation, too much communications capacity, too much ability for quick travel, etc.

Through trump 45, all the lawsuits, hearings, censures, lawsuits, protests, and impeachments were simply seen as "liberal tears." When thenorange voters are directly, and negatively impacted by what they voted for, those liberal tears will a protest of government that will mean something. We're still in the shocked-look, "I thought the other people were the problem" phase of things.

Orange voters are starting to lose their jobs. Orange farmers are starting to have distressed farms, or fields with rotting product waiting for harvest. Stress fractures are beginning to appear with Medicare/Medicaid and SS. Wait until the Farmbill is canceled.

Republican town hall meetings will reach a point where they'll be canceled entirely. They're starting to crack down on the ever-growing population of homeless and people living in their cars. They're starting to crack down on social media negativity towards government. Just wait until conservatives come after the guns.

Our allies are doing their best to help us out by economic means, but they can only do so much, as the threat to our nation is coming from within our nation. Canada is rocking it with their tariffs, being focused squarely on red states.

Things will likely get uglier, but that might just be the way it has to be, before things can improve, and it'll be scary for everyone. The US has been on a downward/rightward spiral since the early 1970s, and we've let it slowly happen to ourselves. Setting things right Will be difficult, and will certainly take more than a few 4-8 year presidential cycles, and people need to understand that.

This is the plan.

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[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 107 points 3 days ago
[-] julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

Avoiding Gell-Mann amnesia! Unfortunately, to even get to this question you have to be expert enough in one area to see through the BS... Not a luxury everyone is afforded.

[-] prole 10 points 2 days ago

What the fuck is the rush!? They should do this, but there is zero reason to rush it unless you want people to suffer needlessly.

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

It's easy. Rush to "fix" things, but break them in the process. Then tell the American people... look we tried and it's not working! Let's privatize! Moving all of our SS money into hedge funds and wall street scum. Welcome to Trump's America.

[-] prole 3 points 2 days ago

Right... That's covered in the "making people suffer needlessly" part.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 72 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’ve been a programmer for around 20 years now and I can tell you with 100% confidence that this is going to be an absolute fucking disaster. I’ve built project features—not even full projects—that took months. Hell, we launch one on Monday. This would realistically take years, and after seeing how garbage the DOGE site was built, I have zero confidence in the incel team Elon scraped off his Steam friends list.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago

Yeah, the ideal process is something like this:

  1. Write a bunch of automated tests
  2. Rewrite a chunk that's well tested
  3. Go to 1 until the project is done

I would budget a couple years. Even a smaller codebase would take more than a couple months.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah, this. They need this to be completely test-driven. Build a foundation and build out/finalize in pieces. If they had an actual dev team that knew what they were doing, someone would set them straight. They also need a ton of time to gain an understanding of what every part of the existing codebase is doing.

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[-] chrislowles@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago

It took the GIMP team 7 years to harden and release 3.0 and it's a fucking image editing program, this guy is actually insane.

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

On one hand the GIMP project took so long because they have very little resources. They would certainly do it faster with more people.

On the other hand you will probably get a team of inexperienced developers picked for their loyalty to a cokehead. The overall organization has a history of confusing millions for billions and problems working with much more common stuff than COBOL.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Why would Elon hate his mother? She kept him from being beaten up by that facebook guy.

[-] hector@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Someone need to back up this codebase ASAP so it can be restored when thing surely go to shit because of Elon and some random LLM.

[-] leraje 41 points 3 days ago

If they are genuinely stating months as a realistic timeframe then they either know nothing or are fully aware and this is a deliberate killshot.

[-] Dultas@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

This is the typical Elon "Fully self driving soon" of 2016.

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 27 points 3 days ago

No. It is a killshot.

He stated his resentment of social security MULTIPLE times.

Sabotage is the purpose.

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[-] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago

I'm convinced this is a genuine attempt at geriatricide and to weed out the weak. If I'm not mistaken, this is something that he and his friends are fond of.

[-] trogon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

In their AI-centered, techno-feudal utopia, the elderly are just a drain.

[-] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

As will we all be soon. We are their cattle.

[-] drascus@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 days ago

How much you want to bet they are going to feed the code base into ai and ask it to re-write it in a different language?

[-] undefinedValue@programming.dev 22 points 3 days ago

You know what? I’m slightly more confident about the AIs chances compared to his team of 20 year old lead by Big Ballz.

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

As someone who's actually been part of a team that did this exact migration, it's gonna be shitshow with tons of bugs when the mainframes are decommissioned and the new system goes live.

It's not the wrong move cause the tech is increasingly obsolete but the level of effort will be underestimated.

[-] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 3 days ago

it is only obsolete if you have a better currently working solution

anything else is a fucking pipe dream

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[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 days ago

I vaguely remember the same story when he bought twitter and got called out by a senior dev for not understanding shit. History repeating itself speedrun any%?

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 37 points 3 days ago

Someone at work was saying people should download their work records from the ssa web portal before they mess it up/lose it.

[-] valkyre09@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll make a full backup before they do something as drastic as try to re-write the system. /s

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I fully expect them to celebrate launch day by taking a sledgehammer to the old machine like that scene from Office Space. All I can say is that I really hope the SSA has been virtualizing their old COBOL applications and not running them on an ancient mainframe.

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[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As if "accidentally" breaking it during this process would be a bug, not a feature.

"Oh no, we completely broke the SSA, it's all gone. Soorrrrrryyyyyy"

[-] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 27 points 3 days ago

Fr. They’re gonna “accidentally lose” all the records of who was receiving social security and how much they were getting, and they’re gonna make people reapply for it in person, but they have to bring their birth certificate, social security cart, passport, driver’s license with real id, 5 years of tax returns, and probably some new special certificate they start issuing to prove you’re ~~maga~~ a real citizen

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 39 points 4 days ago

The black market for social security data is gonna have a field day.

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

They are using this as cover to say, oops we don't know how much you paid into the plan, so therefore we will give all money to Elon and Wallstreet instead of paying benefits. I hope this is what finally get people to throw this clown out of government.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

That's how you know they have nobody with experience there that has their opinion being considered. No one with actual experience in the industry wouldn't do this out of the blue and in a few months "for sure, no delays".

[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

His gremlins can't chatgpt their way through the code so he wants it migrated so he can fuck with it or steal money, probably both.

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[-] mkhopper@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Oh fuck this.... I can't even look at my own code from a year or two ago and understand what the hell I was doing.

I learned some very basic COBOL back in high school (using punch cards), and that shit was confusing as hell.
There is no possible way that this ancient codebase could be migrated by a bunch of 20 year olds in such a short amount of time.

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 19 points 3 days ago

They're just going to feed it to some LLM and then rely on the slop it outputs.

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[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 31 points 4 days ago

even ChatGPT agrees this is stupid:

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 33 points 4 days ago

even his own Grok is against the idea:

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Between this and the other instances of Elon's AI correctly calling a duck a duck (or rather, a Nazi a Nazi and a disinformation spreader a disinformation spreader), Elon might be able to replace himself with Grok as the head of DOGE and see significant improvements almost overnight.

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[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Excuse me, they said they want to have this done in months? Did I read that article correctly?

[-] JusticeForPorygon 11 points 3 days ago

I feel like there are a good six very large companies that could give firsthand accounts on why letting Elon Musk touch an important piece of software is a terrible idea.

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[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Isn’t a benefit to these systems still being COBOL is that they’re hard to hack?

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 22 points 3 days ago

Obscurity is not security. We've learned a lot about security in the post 20 years, let alone the last 40

No, cobol is not more secure because it's a dead language. Obscurity is a hurdle, security is a wall - security is mathematical and good practices, obscurity is just being weird. It takes a bit longer to get past the weird, getting past a solid wall is a matter of luck or brilliance

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 20 points 4 days ago

The programming language itself rarely opens hacking opportunities in my experience. It is more the design of the system and potential bugs introduced by the dev can be exploited as well.

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[-] slowcakes@programming.dev 11 points 3 days ago

There are actually companies (very few) that work with migrating large cobol code bases to java, in a automated manner. And it costs a lot, hundreds of millions and it takes a couple of years. They ensure that the cobol and java execution is doing the same thing. So it works, but it's shit. Many do this because it's hard to find cobol developers and the cost of IBM mainframes.

Anyways the code turns into cobol style in Java, horrible and hard work with, would never like to maintain it.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Whatever language is chosen will be regarded forever as worse than COBOL, regardless of its actual merits.

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