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[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 107 points 4 weeks ago
[-] julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago

Avoiding Gell-Mann amnesia! Unfortunately, to even get to this question you have to be expert enough in one area to see through the BS... Not a luxury everyone is afforded.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 72 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I’ve been a programmer for around 20 years now and I can tell you with 100% confidence that this is going to be an absolute fucking disaster. I’ve built project features—not even full projects—that took months. Hell, we launch one on Monday. This would realistically take years, and after seeing how garbage the DOGE site was built, I have zero confidence in the incel team Elon scraped off his Steam friends list.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, the ideal process is something like this:

  1. Write a bunch of automated tests
  2. Rewrite a chunk that's well tested
  3. Go to 1 until the project is done

I would budget a couple years. Even a smaller codebase would take more than a couple months.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 9 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, this. They need this to be completely test-driven. Build a foundation and build out/finalize in pieces. If they had an actual dev team that knew what they were doing, someone would set them straight. They also need a ton of time to gain an understanding of what every part of the existing codebase is doing.

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[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 weeks ago

I vaguely remember the same story when he bought twitter and got called out by a senior dev for not understanding shit. History repeating itself speedrun any%?

[-] leraje 41 points 4 weeks ago

If they are genuinely stating months as a realistic timeframe then they either know nothing or are fully aware and this is a deliberate killshot.

[-] Dultas@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago

This is the typical Elon "Fully self driving soon" of 2016.

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 27 points 4 weeks ago

No. It is a killshot.

He stated his resentment of social security MULTIPLE times.

Sabotage is the purpose.

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 39 points 4 weeks ago

The black market for social security data is gonna have a field day.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 weeks ago

It will kill the black market for that kind of data. What good is a black market if the data is trivially available to everyone?

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 37 points 4 weeks ago

Someone at work was saying people should download their work records from the ssa web portal before they mess it up/lose it.

[-] valkyre09@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago

Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll make a full backup before they do something as drastic as try to re-write the system. /s

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

I fully expect them to celebrate launch day by taking a sledgehammer to the old machine like that scene from Office Space. All I can say is that I really hope the SSA has been virtualizing their old COBOL applications and not running them on an ancient mainframe.

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[-] drascus@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 weeks ago

How much you want to bet they are going to feed the code base into ai and ask it to re-write it in a different language?

[-] undefinedValue@programming.dev 22 points 4 weeks ago

You know what? I’m slightly more confident about the AIs chances compared to his team of 20 year old lead by Big Ballz.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 31 points 4 weeks ago

even ChatGPT agrees this is stupid:

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 33 points 4 weeks ago

even his own Grok is against the idea:

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

Between this and the other instances of Elon's AI correctly calling a duck a duck (or rather, a Nazi a Nazi and a disinformation spreader a disinformation spreader), Elon might be able to replace himself with Grok as the head of DOGE and see significant improvements almost overnight.

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[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

As if "accidentally" breaking it during this process would be a bug, not a feature.

"Oh no, we completely broke the SSA, it's all gone. Soorrrrrryyyyyy"

[-] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 27 points 4 weeks ago

Fr. They’re gonna “accidentally lose” all the records of who was receiving social security and how much they were getting, and they’re gonna make people reapply for it in person, but they have to bring their birth certificate, social security cart, passport, driver’s license with real id, 5 years of tax returns, and probably some new special certificate they start issuing to prove you’re ~~maga~~ a real citizen

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[-] mkhopper@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

Oh fuck this.... I can't even look at my own code from a year or two ago and understand what the hell I was doing.

I learned some very basic COBOL back in high school (using punch cards), and that shit was confusing as hell.
There is no possible way that this ancient codebase could be migrated by a bunch of 20 year olds in such a short amount of time.

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 19 points 4 weeks ago

They're just going to feed it to some LLM and then rely on the slop it outputs.

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[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

As someone who's actually been part of a team that did this exact migration, it's gonna be shitshow with tons of bugs when the mainframes are decommissioned and the new system goes live.

It's not the wrong move cause the tech is increasingly obsolete but the level of effort will be underestimated.

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[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

First you break government. Once broken, privatize everything on the justification of government not working.

Use propaganda to make people hateful and violent towards election workers. Use to loss of election workers to either have the incumbent administration run elections with "impartiality" or cancel elections altogether.

Cut government funding and make everything unpredictable, causing farmers and business owners to go bankrupt. Have oligarchs buy up everything at rock-bottom pricing, and turn the citizens back into serfs, who will be poor enough to shut up and do as they're told.

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[-] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 weeks ago

I'm convinced this is a genuine attempt at geriatricide and to weed out the weak. If I'm not mistaken, this is something that he and his friends are fond of.

[-] trogon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

In their AI-centered, techno-feudal utopia, the elderly are just a drain.

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[-] chrislowles@lemm.ee 18 points 4 weeks ago

It took the GIMP team 7 years to harden and release 3.0 and it's a fucking image editing program, this guy is actually insane.

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 weeks ago

On one hand the GIMP project took so long because they have very little resources. They would certainly do it faster with more people.

On the other hand you will probably get a team of inexperienced developers picked for their loyalty to a cokehead. The overall organization has a history of confusing millions for billions and problems working with much more common stuff than COBOL.

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

Isn’t a benefit to these systems still being COBOL is that they’re hard to hack?

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 22 points 4 weeks ago

Obscurity is not security. We've learned a lot about security in the post 20 years, let alone the last 40

No, cobol is not more secure because it's a dead language. Obscurity is a hurdle, security is a wall - security is mathematical and good practices, obscurity is just being weird. It takes a bit longer to get past the weird, getting past a solid wall is a matter of luck or brilliance

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

The programming language itself rarely opens hacking opportunities in my experience. It is more the design of the system and potential bugs introduced by the dev can be exploited as well.

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[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's probably why. It was the premise for the reimanged series of bsg, Galactica was so old that the cylons could not hack the computers like did with the 12 colonies whom they disabled with a virus.

[-] FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee 8 points 4 weeks ago

It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't it un-hackable because Adama forbade any networked computers (specifically because that made them vulnerable)?

Similar principle here, the safest system is the one that never goes online (assuming people can't also get physical access).

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

They are using this as cover to say, oops we don't know how much you paid into the plan, so therefore we will give all money to Elon and Wallstreet instead of paying benefits. I hope this is what finally get people to throw this clown out of government.

[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

Excuse me, they said they want to have this done in months? Did I read that article correctly?

[-] slowcakes@programming.dev 11 points 4 weeks ago

There are actually companies (very few) that work with migrating large cobol code bases to java, in a automated manner. And it costs a lot, hundreds of millions and it takes a couple of years. They ensure that the cobol and java execution is doing the same thing. So it works, but it's shit. Many do this because it's hard to find cobol developers and the cost of IBM mainframes.

Anyways the code turns into cobol style in Java, horrible and hard work with, would never like to maintain it.

[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

His gremlins can't chatgpt their way through the code so he wants it migrated so he can fuck with it or steal money, probably both.

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[-] JusticeForPorygon 11 points 4 weeks ago

I feel like there are a good six very large companies that could give firsthand accounts on why letting Elon Musk touch an important piece of software is a terrible idea.

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[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 4 weeks ago

He’ll kill a lot more than just two birds.

[-] prole 10 points 4 weeks ago

What the fuck is the rush!? They should do this, but there is zero reason to rush it unless you want people to suffer needlessly.

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

It's easy. Rush to "fix" things, but break them in the process. Then tell the American people... look we tried and it's not working! Let's privatize! Moving all of our SS money into hedge funds and wall street scum. Welcome to Trump's America.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

Whatever language is chosen will be regarded forever as worse than COBOL, regardless of its actual merits.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

That's how you know they have nobody with experience there that has their opinion being considered. No one with actual experience in the industry wouldn't do this out of the blue and in a few months "for sure, no delays".

[-] Blurghalurg@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

My only thought here is that they have no idea how to scope things properly. Anyone who has done rewrites or large ETLs of systems knows that initial scoping is always usually wrong. -- my bet is they drag this out for the rest of the presidency where "done in months" is actually "we're still working on it". And maybe even after so Musk can suckle another government test.

[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Some of them are teenagers and the rest have the mental and emotional maturity of a teenager.

They have no clue what it takes for such a large project. Even Elon “self-driving by the end of 2014” Musk hasn’t a clue.

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[-] cupcakezealot 9 points 4 weeks ago

it's a sick world where matthew perry isn't with us but elon still is.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 8 points 4 weeks ago

Busy few months coming up for Grok

[-] laserm@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Im gonna side with Elon here, in the fact COBOL is absolutely outdated and should be phased out. However, considering what they said in the post and how it went with his takeover of Twitter, I have doubts that he will be capable of executing it correctly. Move fast and break things simply shouldn't apply in the government sphere.

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