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[-] whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 199 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s almost as if they never actually cared about the server but rather were just using it to score points. Not at all like, you know, absolutely everything else.

[-] bamboo 30 points 2 months ago

:surprised-pikachu:

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's almost like libs don't actually care about this recent leak but are also just using it to score points.

The lack of self-awareness is stunning.

[-] whatyousaidontwitter@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

People do care about the leaaks, but also how ironically this situation is compared to the 'but what about her emails' situation in the past.

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[-] Absaroka@lemmy.world 75 points 2 months ago

Lock. Them. Up.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 67 points 2 months ago
[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 36 points 2 months ago

Wasn't the server an actual private server she had setup whereas this is a corporate app that is supposedly private if they are not lying and accessing the data. I mean this is way wore unless they put up a server to run the chat software.

[-] running_ragged@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Also, while using the app, there is zero accountability for who told who to do what within the government. FOIA is useless for any conversation happening within that app, self hosted or not.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Yep, OPSEC is definitely a major issue here. But the other problem is like you mention, zero accountability. Additionally, if they delete the chat, there is no way to reobtain the data for historical archive purposes, which is another law violation.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Conservative hypocrisy knows no bounds. They will only be outraged at what their talking heads tell them to be outraged at.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure that pointing out the hypocrisy is even useful. I'm nearing 40 and "but it's okay when we do it" has always been a core tenant of conservatism. They don't give a shit that they're hypocrites, they don't care, I've boxed them in on it before and it always just boils down to "it's okay for us because I said so". I think it's maybe more useful to move past the identification of hypocrisy and start engaging in conversations about accountability. That is, conversations about hypocrisy without conversations about what kind of accountability you'd like to see are moot. So, let's move past "can you believe this shit? But her emails? Do you feel like the hypocrites you are yet?" to "your boy did something fucking stupid. I don't care about your excuses, fire him."

[-] tankfox@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's true! We just assume that by pointing out the naughty behavior Someone will Do Something because honest people expect honest reactions.

Dishonest people cannot have honest reactions, their words mean nothing, they respond only to personal suffering and nothing else.

[-] KingDaddy@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago

Where is the accountability from the public? Every redneck 100 mi from me was screaming about her damn emails. They probably didn't even understand why they were outraged, but the man on the FoX nEwS was angry about it so I am too. They say that the don't trust the government for legitimate topics like vaccines, and taxes and then when the government gives you a huge reason to actually be concerned, it gets ignored

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

EDIT: To be 1000% clear, they should not be using personal cell phones for this, which they probably did because everyone in this admin is braindead gutter trash. I'm suggesting that self-hosted Signal over government servers is probably fine for security with potentially some tweaks to the app. Something I neglected to think of however is that this sidesteps record keeping, and probably deliberately so. My contention here was solely about security, but this fact makes Signal use unconscionable in my book because it impedes accountability.


Okay, let's just be clear here: Signal isn't just another "private app"; the amount of information they have about your communications is zero (0) with the exception that I believe they can see if you have an account and the last time you connected to the server. Governments absolutely do rely on Signal. The Signal protocol is open and highly robust, the app code is FOSS and has eyes from a shitload of security researchers globally due to its importance, its server code is FOSS (although you don't have to trust this due to the robust E2EE, and you can even self-host IIRC due to the FOSS server code), and it has reproducible builds.

This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they're incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails. If I had to guess, they'd probably want to self-host the fork the Signal app and make it so that you can only invite people with some form of clearance, but this last thing is total speculation on my part. I'm sure there's some way to sanely do this. The part about Signal being secure is just objectively true; it's audited like absolute crazy, both the FOSS app and the protocol. I would trust it more than whatever the US government could homebrew, even.

If you, as a citizen, are looking for secure, private messaging, Signal should be at the very top of your list of possible candidates alongside Matrix, SimpleX, and Session (keep in mind that Element and Session do not yet support forward secrecy, although the Matrix protocol does).

[-] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago

Let's also be clear: Signal, regardless of their encryption standards, is not an approved system for any kind of classified information. Leaks of this nature have the potential to cost people's lives. Every single person in that group chat would have known this. Many of them have original classification authority.

Further, not only was the platform not approved for the information, the messages were set to disappear after some time. This is a violation of government record keeping laws and FOIA standards. This wasn't an oopsie.

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[-] fake_meows@lemm.ee 35 points 2 months ago

This fuck-up was strictly due to the fact that they're incompetent morons just randomly inviting people to group chats and shit with no guardrails.

No.

These fuckwits were handling classified and top secret information in the open on their cell phones.

It doesn't matter what specific app they used. This is not about the technology. You missed the point.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the same team of geniuses that kept classified files, some of which were mysteriously emptied of their contents, in the unlocked bedroom and bathroom of a members-only club in Florida, near the swimming pool whose water mysteriously destroyed all the surveillance video just when the FBI were about to look at it.

[-] fake_meows@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not to mention that, in this case, the phone network was known to hacked and infiltrated by adversaries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon

This hack included JD Vance's phone who was part of this chat group.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-vance-hack.html

These peoples phones shouldn't be considered any more secure than a public bathroom.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

It's almost like that party has no values and sees everything only through the lens of political leverage.

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Also the disappearing texts are a concern. There's not much mention of that. And now you have to wonder, how many other conversations have been held there, and with who?

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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

Summary:

  • a journalist was invited
  • half an hour before the first takeoff, the takeoff times of planes, drones and cruise missiles were shared
  • it was mentioned that an individual terrorist is on sight and his location known

Sadly, none of them will be jailed, like a lay person would be for disclosing military secrets.

However, I would advocate for punishing them with having a mandatory nanny appointed to oversee them for 4 years.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

According to Sun Tzus art of war, someone who is that stupid should be put to death.

[-] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

lock them up!

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 12 points 2 months ago

The takeaway is that Signal is a bloody good app to use.

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

Sounds like it's pretty easy to add the wrong people to your chat.

[-] MangoPenguin 14 points 2 months ago

People are usually the weakest link.

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[-] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

It's no different from many other chat apps. Select the contacts you want in the group.

There's no issue with the app, it's actually among the most secure. The issue is the meatbag behind the thumbs selecting who to put in the chat.

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[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
[-] invertedspear@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

For the reporter it was.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

Shared military plans with a journalist on a private app.

[-] PopPop17@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Clown show ... so let's spin it that this came from a disreputable journalist.

[-] Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

I'm so tired of America letting the worst pieces of shit get away with anything. One side breaks the speed limit by 2mph and they're euthanized. The other side rapes and kills all of Asia, and nothing happens.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago
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[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

It’s always Opposite Day with these clowns GOP. The blame finger is always pointing at them.

[-] CosmicSurgeon@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Lock him up!

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

And here several days later they are still trying to gaslight everyone into believing that it never happened.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's almost like both "parties" only care about decent OpSec when the other team fucks up.

And neither party cares about the endless imperial slaughter that these communications facilitate. Not even worth mentioning.

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