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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 454 points 1 week ago

tldr:

  • CEO was forcefully ousted from Firefox for anti-LGBTQ views and donations.
  • Replaced existing ads on sites with Brave's own "private" ads.
  • Collected crypto on behalf of others without their knowledge or consent
  • Injected referral links into crypto websites to steal crypto revenue
  • Put ads in the new page tab
  • Shipped a TOR feature that leaked DNS
  • Doesn't disclose the ID of their search engine crawler via useragent
  • Removed "strict" fingerprinting protection
  • CEO is generally a right-wing dick.
[-] Khlo 117 points 1 week ago

Librewolf users (totally not biased)

[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago
[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago
[-] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 31 points 1 week ago

Please tell me you have the whole set. I have waited for someone to post this since literally 2018

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[-] b0o@lemm.ee 80 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the TLDR. Enough said, deleted Brave app. Firefox Focus is a good alternate.

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

You should also add secretly whitelisted Facebook trackers in their adblocker, something they did a while back.

  • Shipped a TOR feature that leaked DNS

Yikes I didn't know they did that but I'm not surprised. There's a reason the people behind Tor say it should only be used via the official Tor browser, because only the Tor browser can provide that level of protection against those kind s of leaks, as well as much better fingerprinting resistance than chromium-based brave is going to give you.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

CEO was forcefully ousted from Firefox for anti-LGBTQ views and donations.

I think this is making mountains out of molehills. My understanding is that he had a very good working relationship w/ LGBTQ people in the org, and he had been working for many years at Mozilla before this point. The issue was his private donations to an anti-same sex marriage initiative. He didn't push for any company policy change, didn't advertise the donation, and didn't use company funds (used personal funds), so it really shouldn't be anyone's business.

I personally disagree with his political views, but I think he was a fantastic candidate for CEO of Mozilla. How he votes or spends his personal money shouldn't be relevant at all.

Replaced existing ads on sites with Brave’s own “private” ads.

I like this idea in principle, but not in implementation. Brave should have worked with major websites to share revenue, but what Brave actually did was remove website ads and insert its own, forcing websites to go claim BAT to get any of that revenue back.

My preference here is to not use a cryptocurrency and instead have users pay in their local currency into a bucket to not see ads (and that's shared w/ the website), and that should be in collaboration w/ website owners.

Collected crypto on behalf of others without their knowledge or consent

This is a big nothing-burger.

Basically, Brave had a way to donate to a creator that wasn't affiliated with the creator. The way it works is you could donate (using BAT), and once it got to $100 worth, Brave would reach out to the creator to give them the money. They adjusted the wording to make it clear they weren't affiliated with the creator in any way.

Injected referral links into crypto websites to steal crypto revenue

Yeah, this is totally wrong, and they reversed course immediately.

Put ads in the new page tab

Not a fan, but at least you can opt-out.

Shipped a TOR feature that leaked DNS

Mistakes happen. If you truly need the anonymity, you would have multiple layers of defense (i.e. change your default DNS server) and probably not use something like Brave anyway (Tor Browser is the gold standard here).

Doesn’t disclose the ID of their search engine crawler via useragent

Also a bad move, though I am sympathetic to their reasoning here: they just don't have the resources to get permission from everyone. Search has a huge barrier to entry, and I'm in favor of more competition to Google and Microsoft here.

Removed “strict” fingerprinting protection

This was for better UX, since it broke sites. Not a fan of removing this, they should have instead had a big warning when enabling this (e.g. many sites will break if you enable this).

CEO is generally a right-wing dick.

Fair, but that should be a separate consideration from whether to use a given product. Using Brave doesn't make you a right-wing dick.

You probably wouldn't like the CEO of any company whose products you like, so basing a decision of what product to use based on that is... dumb.

I personally use Brave as a backup browser, for two reasons:

  • it's a chrome-based browser
  • it has ad-blocking

My primary browser is something based on Firefox because I value rendering-engine competition. But if I need a chromium-based browser, Brave is my go-to. I disable the crypto nonsense and keep ad-blocking on, and it's generally pretty usable.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He didn't push for any company policy change, didn't advertise the donation, and didn't use company funds (used personal funds), so it really shouldn't be anyone's business.

It's everyone's business that cares about those people.

How he votes or spends his personal money shouldn't be relevant at all.

Using products from a company that benefits him is empowering him to do those things.

Brave should have worked with major websites to share revenue

That's a monumental task. They would have had to create their own ad network similar to Google and then somehow out-compete them to get their business without any of the information that Google has about users.

they weren't affiliated with the creator in any way.

Yes, that's the problem.

Yeah, this is totally wrong, and they reversed course immediately.

Only because they got caught, and they didn't refund any of the crypto they earned in the interim.

Mistakes happen.

When it comes to TOR, mistakes can be a matter of life and death. People only use TOR when they need complete anonymity.

they should have instead had a big warning when enabling this (e.g. many sites will break if you enable this).

They did indeed have exactly that. It said in the actual setting itself "Strict, may break sites".

You probably wouldn't like the CEO of any company whose products you like, so basing a decision of what product to use based on that is... dumb.

Not true. I like Our Lord Gaben. I like Meredith Whitaker. I like lots of CEOs.

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[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Fair, but that should be a separate consideration from whether to use a given product. Using Brave doesn't make you a right-wing dick. You probably wouldn't like the CEO of any company whose products you like, so basing a decision of what product to use based on that is... dumb.

So it’s ok to buy a Tesla nowadays in your opinion? Genuinely curious.

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[-] legion02@lemmy.world 193 points 1 week ago

The CEO of brave is a homophobic bigot if that helps push anyone over the edge for changing their browser. It was the last straw for me.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago

This post shows that it’s much worse than that.

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That pretty much does it, yes. Staying away from brave.

Edit: that Netscape team, holy fuck, Andreesen also came from that cesspool, what a fucking drudge of parasites.

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[-] tatann@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago

I didn't know that, thanks for the tip : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

[-] singletona@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

That was the headliner reason for me.

The rest was just 'Alright, it isn't enough this guy is a piece of shit, he's pushing a shitty product.'

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

That's not even his worst crime. His worst crime was inventing JavaScript.

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[-] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is a very well written an thorough article and I highly recommend reading it. If you don't want to however, here is a summary of the key points:

  • Brendan Eich's anti-LGBTQ+ political involvement

    • Brendan Eich donated to anti-LGBT political organizations, politicians, and initiatives such as CA Prop 8 which banned same-sex marriages.
  • 2016 — Brave Browser promises to replace webpage ads

    • Brave promised to replace ads with privacy friendly ads that would actually pay publishers and even users with a volatile cryptocurrency while keeping a cut for themselves. This never actually came to life and was criticized as "blatantly illegal".
  • 2018 — Brave runs a questionable donation campaign

    • Brave collected donations for popular content creators without actually involving or seeking consent from said creators. In short they accepted donations in crypto for creators, but would only pay out if it reached a minimum value of $100. When called out, Brave said refunds were impossible.
  • 2020 — Brave injects referral links when visiting crypto wallets

    • Brave injected their own referral links for services such as Binance without informing users or asking permission.
  • 2020 — Brave puts ads in user's home screens

    • Brave turned their home screen image rotator into a place to serve ads, many of which were suspicious or crypto related.
  • 2021 - Brave ships an insecure Tor feature

    • Brave added a Tor feature which exposed users DNS requests
  • 2023 - Brave hides their crawlers to websites

    • Brave refuses to disclose their crawler bot to websites since many websites want to block Brave Search. Brave will only chose not to crawl a website if it also blocks Google's crawler.
  • 2024 - So-called "privacy browser" deprecated advanced fingerprinting protection

    • Brave removed a the Strict, Block Fingerprinting privacy feature from their browser.
  • And More!

    • Brave paid for targeted ads for users searching for Firefox in the Play Store and ran a campaign to "Forget the Fox". When called out on this the VP publicly denied it and claimed it was photo-shopped.
    • The VP of Brave, Luke Mulks, frequently posts about all things crypto, from NFTs to FTX, and uses AI-gen images to promote them. He also frequently re-tweets right-wing activists.
    • Brendan Eich's feed also frequently contains right-wing content and Republican propaganda despite his claims to be "independent".

Edit: corrected a mistake noted below.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 25 points 1 week ago

Prop 8 was not merely proposed, it was approved by voters and actually banned same-sex marriage for several years before it was ruled unconstitutional.

Brendan Eich contributed to the actual banning of same-sex marriage in California for several years.

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[-] misteloct@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Brave search allows misinformation goggles for anyone that believes 2 + 2 = 5.

[-] LordBaphomet97933@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Of course Brave would so something like this. This isn't surprising whatsoever. It's still horrible they're even choosing to enable this whatsoever.

Edit: I just checked what kind of shit they pull up on Transgender issues when using those goggles. It's as bad as I thought it would be. Fuck Brave for enabling this garbage.

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank goodness that we can post things in here without Braves astroturfed PR community galavanting to save face like what happened when any story against brave posted on the other site

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[-] cupcakezealot 68 points 1 week ago

the crypto and the asshole ceo aside, nobody should trust a browser that claims to respect privacy that's based on chromium.

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 67 points 1 week ago

anyone believing brave is good for privacy is quite naive

[-] MangoPenguin 25 points 1 week ago

It's good for privacy from the websites you visit, from itself is up for debate though lol

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago

Don't forget about the fact that a while back they secretly whitelisted Facebook trackers in their adblocker to "make pages run more smoothly" they got a lot of shit for it when people found out looking through the source code. When I heard that they did that it basically cemented in my mind that they were shady and untrustworthy, that's in addition to the Crypto and rewards stuff.

[-] detun3d@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why I recommend against pushing people away from Brave:

Most people are still trapped in an ecosystem owned by either Microsoft, Google or Apple. We're yet to see a perfect web browser for everyone, but in the meantime we choose one, maybe two or three if we feel a bit more picky for each task, and use them to the best of our capacity. Making anyone feel guilty and ashamed for choices like this, when the best options are few, relative, and often come at a cost, is just useless.

I suggest reading the settings guides available at privacyguides.org/en/desktop-browsers/ or checking the browser comparison at eylenburg.github.io/browser_comparison.htm to know the details that anyone who actually wants a better browsing experience cares about. Better to lend a hand than push around.

If whoever reads this still can't get over it and needs to play a blame game with someone about why everyone should boycott Mozilla, Brave, Proton and other privacy focused FOSS companies because of what someone said, did or thought, please at least find a decent fork, toss a coin to it's devs, share their work and help others benefit from it.

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[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago

privacytools is not longer reputable. privacy guides started from it a few years ago for a reason.

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Fascinating... I knew some of this and it is indeed troubling.

It seems that Brave's mission is actually about generating revenue by any method possible (including manipulation of end users) more than anything to do with privacy.

If you're cool with all that then Brave is for you I guess.

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

privacytools.io uses affiliate links. privacyguides.org does not.

[-] pzmarzly@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago

Disabling Brave Rewards on a new installation is not any harder than disabling Firefox's Pocket crap, or Edge's Copilot integration, or Chrome's send-everything-to-Google behaviour.

I wish one day we can get a browser that serves the user instead of browser maker, but for now i'll keep using Brave (it's at least open source).

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[-] Katherine1@midwest.social 21 points 1 week ago

I've heard enough of this stuff over the years to never be tempted to try the browser out. At this point, I feel like it's claim to privacy is mostly marketing. Personally, I'm going to stick to LibreWolf.

[-] ngwoo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Brave has great anti-fingerprinting measures I just wish I could get that without installing crypto malware on my pc

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