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submitted 1 week ago by Mee@reddthat.com to c/politics@lemmy.world

Democratic lawmakers have faced eruptions of anger at town hall meetings across the country this week, as constituents have coupled their fury over President Donald Trump’s actions with deep frustration over what they see as a feckless Democratic response.

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[-] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 220 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Time for the neoliberal world order to end. Want Republicans to actually be scared of Democrats? Fill the party with socialists.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 117 points 1 week ago

This is correct. Ultimately, the Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries. Not town halls or performative third party voting, but filling the party up with people who think differently.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 62 points 1 week ago

Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries

And that means it's time for everyone to actually give a shit about voting in primary elections instead of just old people who keep choosing the worst candidates.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Not just voting, but running for election.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 1 week ago

While I agree, I'm a "child of the internet" so pretty much any opposition research on me would have me murdered by probably everyone.

Maybe I should run. I could unite the left and right in their disgust of me lol

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Maybe the real Modern Warfare was the blackmail material we created on ourselves along the way

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Oh! NOW I remember why I didn't give my real name and all my friends and activities and locations and menstrual cycles and everything to BlackmailBook when they demanded it of me to view the link my grandma sent me.

JFC Why won't this fucking thing burn to the ground.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

Ultimately, the Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries.

Only so far as they continue to hold and respect them. We're now 0/3 on that front, so... yeah. It's not impossible, but they'll fight you every step of the way and then some. Creating/hijacking a third party and strategically contesting election will probably accomplish your goals faster. Remember that the only reason the GOP was taken over twice was because the party leadership approved of it.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago

Yeah people forget that the Democrat party doesn't need to even hold primaries, let alone respect the outcome. The DNC admitted to pushing Hillary to the forefront and were the ones that dragged Biden out of retirement because it seemed like Bernie might win the second time. The good politicians seem like exceptions.

Need to start promoting working families type party.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

I'm not talking about Presidential primaries. I'm talking about state and local. Make it so the Democratic Party is full of progressives, socialists, social democrats, whatever your favorite brand of left-wing politics is. I'd be dammed careful about communists because that word is a fucking non-starter with the American electorate. Hell socialism is as well but it's not as poisonous as communism. When the party is full of... I don't know the proper term because every word I think to use (leftist? Lefties, maybe?) has been co-opted to mean a specific ideology. But make it so the Democratic Party as a whole leans further left, and those people have to be tapped to fill key roles because their presence is so large.

You are absolutely wrong about creating/hacking third party. Ross Perot couldn't pull it off despite spending about 80% what the major parties spent and capturing nearly 19% of votes in a vastly more friendly media environment. In order to achieve just that lofty level of irrelevance, a third party candidate would have to spend about $350 million and buy Fox News or Facebook. Third party isn't going to happen. Presidential primary isn't the place to start.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

This is way. Democrat voters want change, but they're not speaking to the system in a language it understands. The party changes not from the top down, but from the bottom up. That only happens when people with different views stand for, and win, lower level positions. Every voice changed lower down on the totem pole changes the presure on the people making decisions further up. Ultimately enough movement lower down means the top eschalons are pushed out and replaced too.

Whether it's possible to find enough candidates to start filling the party, I don't know, but just focusing on the primaries (or lack thereof) for the top job is missing the wood for the trees.

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[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Not just presidential matters. Local and state are much less fucked with. A 3rd party in first past the post just creates a split of neolib/socialists while the fascists remain united. Division in the American system is just a way to have the other party win. Republicans allowed the Tea party because that is what they wanted as well. Neolibs won't allow a split progressive/socialist with the exception of Bernie (because how do you fuck with Vermont).

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

But the corporations that donate to the party don’t want this.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Time for the neoliberal world order to end

Monkey’s paw curls

We now have a fascist world order.

[-] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I mean the "neoliberal world order" was just facism abroad.

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[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago

Agreed.

The democrat dinosaurs will panic, telling us the large donations will dry up, without which a campaign cannot be won.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Then we need to remind them that they're not doing a whole lot of winning at the moment.
If I want a paycheck I have to do my job, if I don't do my job I won't get paid.
If they want donations they're going to have to earn with with actions, not plans or promises.

I mean, they are doing their job. It's just that their job is to keep the left down, not to win.

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[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 106 points 1 week ago

I don’t see people screaming at Bernie, AOC or Tim Walz. Wonder why that is…. Oh maybe it’s because they’re actually willing to notice the frustrations of their base.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 week ago

"Wait you want us to fight for your rights, like you elected us to do? I dunno, that sounds like effort. It's much easier to agree to what Republicans want and it theoretically looks good on paper that we wanna work with Fascists. Maybe we'll get some of their voters this time!"

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

"I know we campaigned on fighting fascism but that was more of a 'if we win' thing"

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[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 99 points 1 week ago

Lately my emotions have tended toward anger at the apathetic middle, not the cartoon villains of the Penguin Administration.

I know it’s a minority view but I blame all this on the nice normal people that thought they had better things to do than pay attention to politics.

If you do not see the need for aggressive responses to lawlessness, you let this happen and I find you boring.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago

This has been my position since I was a teenager: centrists are the weak underbelly because they can't pick a side and just want a middle ground.

Great sentiment, but you never have a side, a cause, and your "meaning" is always shifting to placate everyone else in the name of middleness.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

Compromise is an important part of government.

I too believe in centrism, so long as the parties are on equal footing and we apply ethics.

If the one side isn’t operating in good faith, and keeps shifting their view more and more extreme, the other side also needs to shift more and more extreme so that the compromise still ends up in the theoretical middle.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago

Current events are proof that your preconditions needed for compromise to work do not exist in the real world.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

That’s because the democrats refuse to move left and don’t have a backbone.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 14 points 1 week ago

"my centrism isn't a problem, it's DEMOCRATS for not being left enough, because then my centrism would really be centered"

Sure bud, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

You aren't wrong about democrats being spineless, but Personally I could never try and compromise with someone who thinks my very existence and the existence of minorities gives them a reason to hate and persecute up to literal lynching and murder but that's just me.

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[-] abies_exarchia@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

This is what Sinclair Lewis’ It Can’t Happen Here is about. A book about the rise of fascism in the US written in 1935.

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[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 77 points 1 week ago

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."- The Democratic Party

[-] Vari@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago

“But please donate to my campaign to STOP this. We will soon, I promise”

[-] middgatsby@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

The amount of “gib monies plz” messages I got infuriated me. Like you aren’t doing diddly squat why would I ?!?

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[-] zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 54 points 1 week ago

Another constituent, Donya Williams, complained Ivey didn’t know the people in his district well enough — because he admitted earlier that he didn’t know who popular podcaster Joe Rogan was until the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign.

This explains so much. They are as ignorant of the current state of things as the "apolitical" voters who thought Trump would be fine this time.

[-] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

French aristocracy? Who ordered French aristocracy?

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ocasio-Cortez/Sanders 2028

Democrats: No we need to do this

This is why we lose. Fucking unite for something, geez

[-] C45513@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

if Americans are going to just sit and wait, the US won't be recognizable in 4 years, and there sure as hell won't be a free and fair election

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Many Americans are not. There’s protests happening everyday, across the country. It’s, not being talked about but it’s absolutely happening.

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[-] thepresentpast@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think Walz/Ocasio-Cortez would be a much more popular and palatable suggestion for the electorate, even though I personally prefer your proposal

[-] whiskeytango@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah, we tried appealing to the center shit and that got us nowhere. Go hard on restoring working class America. Fuck racism, sexism, and ignorance - that shit got us a slow slide down to where we are now .

Kick the fucking oligarchs out and tax the fuck out of them. Rich should mean enough money to be very comfortable and never worry again, but not enough to buy elections.

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[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

I feel that Sanders is probably too old and that he can pass the torch on at the next election. It's sad, but I still don't think we need an 80 year old running for office.

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[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago

I think we may may finally be getting our message across. Here's why:

Last night, Adam Schiff, one of the Democratic lawmakers I respect the most, was on Kimmel, and was very rough not just on the HitlerPig Crime Family, but also Chuck Schumer.

But what really struck me, was that the very honorable, polite, and respectful Adam Schiff took the opportunity to basically say "Fuck You" directly to the president - TWICE!

Kimmel asked him if he had said thank you to HitlerPig, and Schiff said he used a different two-word phrase, but one of the words was "You," and everyone got it and laughed. At the end of his interview, he made another joke that was another very obvious disguised "Fuck You."

They were obviously baiting HitlerPig into a tirade, but seeing Schiff go on national TV and saying Fuck You to HitlerPig twice marks a very new direction in messaging for the Democratic party. I hope this is the beginning of pivoting from appeasement to Hard Ball.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

Schumer and Pelosi don't have street fighting skills, they are from the era where Republicans weren't all violent dixiecrat trash.

Schiff and the newer ones don't bring harsh words to gunfights.

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[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

They need to understand that they are fighting for the country. And when they don't treat the Republicans and billionaires as the enemy they deprive us of the power to fight at the ballot box.

So we have to go to the soapbox. Like lemmy.

And when that fails, many of us (not me) will find they have nothing else to lose and go to the ammo box, like mangione is accused of.

And the rest of us will go to the jury box and vote not guilty.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Well holding signs and doing nothing didn't work?

[-] faceula@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

May I suggest a major and I mean major leaflet campaign?

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Ocasio-Cortez, at an event in Las Vegas, Nevada, said Trump has “handed the keys to Elon Musk and is selling this country for parts to the richest people on the planet for a kickback.” But she also had sharp words for her own party.

“We need a Democratic Party that fights harder for us too,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “But what that means is that we as a community must choose and vote for Democrats and elected officials who know how to stand for the working class.”

Leftists:

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

We are alone in this. The dems are better, but they are at fault here too because their entire strategy is being better then the republican which allows Republicans to be as awful as they please

[-] WorkersCorps@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

We can do this the easy way or the hard way - not that a pressure campaign to reform the Democratic Party will be easy, but it'd be sure a hell of a lot easier than trying to primary them out or form a new party. We should try to change them but we need to prepare for every eventuality.

The fact is that nothing is going to change if we can't change or replace the Democrats first.

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[-] kingie_d@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago

As an Aussie watching what's happening over there, all I've got to say is that the days of honourable dueling are gone - your leaders need to understand that you're in a dirty street fight now!

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