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[-] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 139 points 3 months ago

Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).

This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago

Also, these oligarchs don't realize that they're going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don't do exactly what trump and putin want, they'll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol' days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022

[-] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 88 points 3 months ago

...... So fucking what?

"Ooh, he hasn't got a mandate." Yeah, know what he has got?

CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.

(Yes, I know, don't abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like "it'll obviously work out fine just wait it out" shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Idk, I can respect where you're coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying "Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you're fighting against the will of the people" etc. type crap

Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn't any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn't like what's happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they're staying informed about current events

[-] Seleni@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

But aren’t we though, in a way? A bunch of people looked at everything Trump and Project 2025 promised, and said, ‘meh, seems fine, I see no reason to vote against this.’ That means they either agreed with what those things were saying, or at least don’t mind them.

In other words, tacit support.

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[-] sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago

Those who didn't vote, who thought their vote didn't matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office.... they're complicit.

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.

No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.

[-] ceiphas@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting...

Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i'm in my 40s

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[-] dragonlobster@programming.dev 52 points 3 months ago

Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 14 points 3 months ago

Yeah, it's pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That's the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.

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[-] scifun@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.

USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.

[-] hal9000@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

This! Kamala is a black woman. She was never going to win. When asked if they would rather win or be right, they chose being right. They live on denial on how sexist and racist their country is.

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[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I'm not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of "more of the same"

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

If you didn't vote then you voted for the bad guy.

If you didn't vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.

If you didn't vote you voted for Trump.

If you didn't vote you are responsible for the current situation.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago

Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn't vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn't on the ballot.

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[-] puppycat 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.

[-] cool@lemmings.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you people want me to vote for your candidate, make sure they aren't just the "lesser evil."

Try doing something different next time if you want different results. Don't repeat the same mistakes.

Blame everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They're out of touch.

[-] Kaigyo@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

I get the frustration but this is a bad take.

In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It's just a statistical fact you can't ignore.

It fucking blows, but if your choices are the shitty status quo or full blown fascism, you really should pick the status quo.

Obviously doesn't fix the problem with the Democrat party sliding further and further right since they can continue to claim "lesser evil"... and it also doesn't fix the DNC superdelegate shenanigans that got us Hillary instead of Bernie... but I'd rather the country be able to still exist to fight another day.

[-] cool@lemmings.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.

Not really, but you're free to believe that.

The ethical stance to take against 2 evil candidates is to support neither. Supporting the lesser evil makes useful idiots think that they're winning and therefore stop fighting back.

Any ire you direct towards the people who don't support evil candidates would be better spent directed towards those who do support evil candidates. i.e. don't waste your breath arguing with non-voters, dedicate that energy towards the people who keep supporting candidates that don't represent their interests.

It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.

Actually, the people who refuse to support evil candidates are a statistical fact you can't ignore.

Since we're talking facts, let me lay another one on you. All you people do when you get mad at me for not voting is reinforce my decision to keep doing it. I'm not going to cave to look good in front of ya'll, I genuinely don't care what most of you think.

Either run a candidate that supports the working class, or I'm not voting for them.

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[-] leraje 17 points 3 months ago

You have to vote according to how the electoral system actually works, not how you wish it worked. Unless you - yes, you - are personally prepared to fund and organise a revolution to change that system then you vote against the actual fascist.

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[-] Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 12 points 3 months ago

Yeah, pretending that it wasn't a landslide is a grand delusion.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 34 points 3 months ago

It's so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, "did not vote" would win the presidency.

We're always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there's a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn't possibly give a shit less....

[-] cool@lemmings.world 14 points 3 months ago

That's the point. It's important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

It's why Bernie wasn't allowed to win any primaries.

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[-] Legume5534@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago

If you didn't vote then you were fine with this outcome. The majority are ok with Trump winning.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

I get downvoted every time I bring this up too. However, the voters saw January 6th and they saw the repeal of Roe V Wade. If that wasn't enough to get your butt to vote then you're fine with this.

I still think big tech backed Trump because of Lina Khan. Well also the tax breaks. Urgh ...

[-] cool@lemmings.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The fuck? I'm not fine with this outcome.

I'm also not fine with the outcome of harris.

Both suck, but what makes harris suck is that you people will think you're winning because you're losing slower. I refuse to fall in line because I will not support the idea that a slow loss is somehow a win.

If you people want different results, run different candidates! Otherwise, "you are fine with this outcome."

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[-] Silar@infosec.pub 27 points 3 months ago

How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.

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[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.

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[-] palencharizard@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago

This is misleading.

According to those stats, the majority of people voted for someone other than Harris as well.

The real takeaway here is large percentage of people that don't vote.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago

I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn't funny.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 16 points 3 months ago

While I'm sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn't vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider "left" didn't vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I'm aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I've spoken to online also didn't vote at all for the same reason.

Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn't vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party's are owned by the rich.

Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.

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[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

pfff... he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.

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[-] itspatato@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago

End the electoral college… citizen United super charged the electroal college for the rich

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[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's something to keep in mind.

Don't alienate those 36.32%. I'm sure some of us have strong feelings about their choices, but at the end of the day they outnumber Democrats and Republicans each by quite a bit. If you want to see change you are going to have to convince some of them to join you. This goes for elections and this goes for revolutions.

[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

As a brit I have found it fascinating how American and British politics seem to mirror each other. This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit. The stats the TV showed was 51% vs 49% in favour of Brexit but only 60% of the country voted and with this teeny tiny majority of voters the Conservatives enacted a massive constitutional change and causes absolute havoc which we are still paying for today.

We've since voted out the party that caused it but it landed us with an ineffective centrist Labour party who are continuing the mistakes of the past and not appealing to the left in the slightest (sound familiar?). This government still has 4 more years left in power but unless they change tack then I am very worried that we will have a extreme right version of the Conservatives in power next election.

The problem is the First Past The Post voting system. It's not true democracy. It's weighted to the right. Two parties, both in the pocket of big business. One who says "Oh, we'd love to help all you poors but it's really not possible to increase taxes on the rich and invest in our country", and the other who says "you'll be poor but at least you're not gonna get deported or persecuted like those gay and brown people".

TLDR: Both the US and the UK need urgent electoral reform. Write to your representative. Make it an issue. Do not stop until it is a number one priority for these ghouls or they will keep fucking us.

Thank you for attending my Ted talk. Goodnight.

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[-] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

68.1% of US citizens are bloody idiots.

[-] yoriaiko 13 points 3 months ago

"my vote won't change anything", "i don't like any of them", "that won't affect me", call leopards for those 36%

[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago

Because of Americans inability to get their fat asses off the couch and vote, the rest of the world has to suffer the consequences.

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[-] Aux@feddit.uk 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

68.1% support Trump 30.84% support Harris 1.06% support 3rd party

FIFY. Please stop pretending that it wasn't a landslide. Please stop pretending that Americans don't support fascism. Please stop pretending that you're not responsible.

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[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

Well the US clearly doesn’t mind that much cause they’re accepting his neverending stream of shit.

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