No shit. They sat him down like a naughty schoolboy and took turns berating him into selling half his country to the yanks for no guarantees on stopping the Russians.
It was blatantly obvious that it was planned, and good to see people calling it out.
It was my very first thought too. Well, second after what a complete twat JD Vance was. But it just seemed so oddly paced. Like I've never seen a conversation go like that it was so strange. It felt really contrived. Course it could be chalked up to insane immaturity too so idk.
I mean Trump's answer to what if Russia breaks the ceasefire was
What if the bomb drops on your head right now? OK, what if they broke it? I don’t know, they broke it with Biden because Biden, they didn’t respect him. They didn’t respect Obama. They respect me."
So essentially his answer to what happens if they break the ceasefire was... they won't break it? But no, zelensky is the world's biggest asshole for wanting to know about securities.
Vance going on about how the goal is a ceasefire to end the war, Zelensky relying that ceasefires haven't been followed by Russia, and the Trump.and Vance going off on 'disrepect' was just wild. Like reality tv scripted argument level wild. Saturday Night Live parodied the meeting and the parody was toned down compared to the actual meeting!
It felt like Jerry Springer.
After already being the worlds biggest asshole for not wearing a suit, he may as well ask for securities. For the millionth time. Although that’s only 2% of the deal and he doesn’t have the cards. But he has raw earth. I think I’ve said enough, except thank you.
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Watching zelensky die inside while contributing to this shitshow was hard. I can’t imagine how bad that poor guy must have felt. And I’m sure he’s already seen a lot of bad things.
The pain in his expression was the most relatable thing I've seen from a world leader possibly ever.
JD did a pretty poor job with his acting debut.
of course they did. did anyone think it was going to go any other way?
Zelensky did great by standing up to them and not reacting to them. the rest of the world saw how weak the current admin is.
how low do we have to go before everyone wakes up and sees this orange shitstain for what he is?
The dude literally invited Russian state media and said “this will be great TV”.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist but…
It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true haha
Getting a script right from RT via Putin no doubt on what to say
Zelenski has the patience of a demigod for not slapping the shit out of Vance.
He handled the no-win situation as best as he could; I hope it raises Europe's will to back Ukraine since it was obvious how he was ambushed by a supposed ally.
how low do we have to go before everyone wakes up and sees this orange shitstain for what he is?
I don't think anyone capable of seeing it doesn't already see it. We have to make it through these four years as a nation and somehow move forward despite them all.
If congress somehow gets Trump removed via impeachment or similar means (I know the chances are near zero) I fully expect magas to be shooting people in the streets a day later, or a much more violent Jan 6 style event.
I’m not the biggest fan of Merz by any means, but credit where it’s due - it’s fantastic that he specifically and unambiguously called this out on the geopolitical stage.
His stance on Ukraine and the European Union is the silver lining for me with the CDU win tbh. Things might actually improve on these topics over Olaf Scholz.
Right? I have been consistently underwhelmed at how… well, flaccid Scholz has been on the European leadership front. Dude comes off like he wants everything signed in triplicate before he’s willing to consider appointing a discussion board to evaluate possibility of thinking about making a decision.
Especially because he has always been a staunch atlanticist with a ton of connections in the US. That and the fact this comes from Germany, the most pro-US country, barring the UK, in Europe, gives his words extra gravitas.
This was absolutely an ambush. Trump and Vance had a script and reactions ready to go, thinking they were going to get under Zelensky's skin, justifying Vance's angry reaction. But Zelensky stayed calm and reserved and Vance still has his angry outburst. Trump and Vance embarrassed the country, looking like toddlers screaming when they don't get their way.
And every Republican who backs this is vile scum, but that's to be expected from the GOP. Trump and Vance taking America to new lows every day and the GOP just doubling down on it.
Lets be honest here, Trump and Vance didn't orchestrate anything.
Putin did.
He wanted the weapons stopped, and he gave them a script.
Now the weapons have stopped as of a couple hours ago.
Just finally watched it, he actually deflected most of their accusations on the spot 💪 These guys are making deals, lying on their part and not giving a flying fuck on the very probable future events. All Trump got was that he is special, and that is why the truce will hold this time 🫨
Edit. I don't know what to make of this, they and everybody sure need peace, it is also bold to not see that card...
I thought it made Zelenskyy look good.
He was pleading for his people's protection, while calling the US out on it's bullshit.
Trump and co just looked like a bunch of dick heads.
Trump is a weak person's view of a strong person. It only looked good to those weak people.
Daddy issues on a society-wide scale, ffs.
It definitely increased the respect for Zelenskyy across the world.
It was obviously performative when Trump said, "you don't get to tell us what we're going to feel" when Zelensky said that the US will feel the effect of the war.
It's was after JD already escalated and Trump had to grab something to be a critical about, and that was the arbitrary point he decided to cling onto. He had to because JD upped the ante and Trump HAD to do something to keep up
His faithful MAGAts are probably waiting for him to tell other elected world leaders that they're fired. Just because it'll be funny to hear him say his catchphrase in his weird little voice. And that's as seriously as they'll take it until the lights go out and it's blighted poultry rations for dinner again.
Rotten state of things.
Orchestrated or not, it was a fucking cowardly spectacle.
You could tell. Vance is an awful actor ..
👶 I'm going to be a bad ass today ! My pee pee feels funny just thinking about it. I'm so excited
I blame the couch for that
Yeah I think that was pretty obvious. I mean they were clearly looking for an excuse to attack him. They chose the most inane metaphor they could have to take offense at. Just waiting for their opportunity.
Its weird now, because there used to be political theatre carried out by world leaders for the benefit of the pleb voters (us). Now it really feels like the world leaders are performing this theatre for trump. Like he's a toddler and out of the loop, so the adults are doing their thing without him.
It looked like an episode of the Apprentice and a bad one at that
Trump and Vance aren't actors, it shows.
I want to point out that a very small fraction of the US deliberately did this. Like less than 100 out of 300M. Most of us, and when I say most, I mean nearly ALL of US citizens, and more, are horrified.
The US is a representative democracy, and those were its chosen representatives. Sorry, but you can't collectively vote Trump into office and then immediately go "woah, we have nothing to do with any of this!" When he turns out to be exactly what everyone expected him to be.
... for the second time.
It's also extremely disingenous to claim that our country doesn't support Trump. A majority of Americans are happy to support the status quo that Trump represents. They're just mad that the billionaires have dropped the mask and stopped using lube while fucking them, but they still want to be fucked. They voted for neoliberal exploitation this election, just like they voted for neoliberal exploitation in the last dozen elections. If Americans really wanted to avoid fascism, they should have started doing something about it at least 40 years ago.
It's actually looking pretty likely that they didn't actually win. How very odd that Musk is suddenly buddy buddy with Trump, when he oh so very coincidentally has a team of programmer man children who have a number of proof of concept examples for invisibly changing votes on voting machines.
While obviously if presented with sufficient evidence I’m willing to change my position, I would be shocked if this turns out to be the case. The result was well-within a normal polling error. No reason to act like the Qaninnies and start throwing around vote fraud conspiracies without proof.
I’d also like to point out that, of those remaining 200 million or so, 90 million decided to sit out the election altogether. They, in my mind, are just as responsible for letting all of this happen as are those who voted for it.
I’m American. You need to face reality: our compatriots did this. Our friends (or former friends, perhaps), neighbors, and family did this. Either with enthusiasm or through complacency, they consented to this trump bullshit. He won the fucking popular vote. It is an indictment upon us all, collectively. It points to the frailty of the voter’s mind.
Let me be clear: fuck us. We deserve what’s coming. My hope is that Starmer, Macron, and Merz can take the helm and guide the West through this.
If I didn’t have such strong ties to this country through my career and my family, I’d fuck off to Canada. I am ashamed to be American. Maybe one day, that’ll change. Maybe.
It’s your country, your attempt at a democratic system and your mess to deal with internally. That it’s a fundamentally broken system you have over there has been known (and in some cases mathematically proven) for a long time now. Personally, I’m getting tired of the ”Not all americans”-stuff. It kinda worked the first time around, but you had four years to deal with him peacefully through your legal system, demonstrations, manifestations and public pressure. He got reelected and there was a peaceful transition of power, possibly the last.
Enough people voted for him. The margins weren’t even that thin. You are now represented by President Orange in your international affairs and force projection. We can’t really help you that much either, as you have positioned yourselves as a dominant global power, with economical, soft and hard power.
My entirely unqualified guess - we’ll start accepting political refugees from the US, fearing for their lives, fairly soon. I’m guessing LGBTQ+, some ethnicities, some scientists and some public servants are in the danger zone. Stop being ”horrified” and start being ”absolutely fucking terrified”.
In short, go deal with your carrot man, we can’t do it for you. We can hopefully provide some refuge. But we can only deal with you as a nation, represented by Trump. Sorry.
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