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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 86 points 8 months ago

In my experience, yeah tiktok addicts are like this...

...but so are tumblr addicts.

They just have a more esoteric/niche set of triggering conditioms, as well as a more esoteric/niche vocabulary used when emphatically proclaiming something hysterical, and they're also angry that you have 0 clue what 90% of the terms or events or people or characters they're referring to are.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

Our species is more alone than we've ever been even though our numbers are greater than they've ever been and our means for reaching each other is nearly limitless.

Because everyone is so, so deeply scared of social rejection, an instinct bred into us through ice ages and apocalypses where we needed each other to survive, that the fear of rejections has become one of our primary social motivators. People now have a choice of trying to find social circles and groups that they can adapt to or compromise with like we've struggled through for thousands of years, or withdraw into spaces that prevent us from ever having to experience even a chance of rejection. Feel awkward when a stranger says hello? You can choose to practice getting better at responding to others, experience failures as well as successes, or you can retreat to a place where "hello" means oppression and you don't ever need to ever risk pain by responding.

This is just a tiny, micro-slice of the issue but EVERYONE does this, and if you think you don't, you are also stuck in the film-strip post-hoc rationalizing your every feeling.

[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

You’re absolutely right about how deeply the fear of rejection is embedded in us—it's instinctual, a relic of survival. But here’s the thing: in our modern world, that same fear doesn’t protect us the way it once did. Instead, it traps us. It makes us bend and shape ourselves to fit into spaces we may not even want to be in, just to avoid discomfort.

The truth is, we all need connection, but the path to genuine connection isn’t through constant adaptation or hiding in safety bubbles—it’s through authenticity. When you stop worrying so much about how others perceive you and start living for yourself, two things happen: you begin to feel freer and more at peace, and your openness creates a magnetism that draws others toward you.

Awkwardness, rejection, and failure? They’re inevitable, but they also don’t define you. Each time you stop rationalizing avoidance and choose to show up as your full self, you break that fear’s hold on you. You discover what really matters: living authentically, for you, not for validation or social survival.

That’s where real strength comes from—not from being universally accepted but from no longer needing to be. And ironically, the less you care about how others perceive you, the more meaningful connections you end up making.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 79 points 8 months ago

Since when is vague a verb?

[-] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago

Verbing weirds language.

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Edit" and "access" also weren't originally verbs. Same with "babysit" and "eavesdrop". Backformation and category changing are common and perfectly natural processes in English.

Edit: This isn't directed at the OP of this comment chain, but I'm always surprised by the crazy amount of ignorant prescriptivism I see all over Lemmy. Like, I expected that shit on Reddit, but I thought we were better than that here, especially since literally the only real reason for prescriptivism is sowing class division and excluding people for not having access to the secret knowledge of "correct" (yuck!) grammar.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I understand language changes over time but sometimes it's stupider than others

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

From your biased, subjective point of view that has nothing to do with the objective facts of language, maybe.

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[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

verbing a word that isn't commonly verbed? that's the main thing i love in the English langauge, the flexibility to fuck around with it and still be understood by others without having to explain what you're doing

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 8 points 8 months ago

Now you're Englishing proper m8.

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[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Using the suffix -er for a two syllable word isn't any correcter than verbing a noun and would probably make quite a few English teachers red in the face.

Both have a linguistic use; the verb "vaguing" is a shortened form of the cumbersome "vague-posting", while "stupider" is a more emphatic and/of colloquial form of "more stupid". Neither can be replaced by their more formal form without changing the meaning of the sentence slightly.

Objectively they are very similar linguistic quirks, the only reason you'd use one but dislike the other is familiarity. Why dismiss it out of hand when you can excitedly marvel at a novel way people can remotely transfer thoughts?

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[-] yukijoou 5 points 8 months ago

i mean, you understood the meaning of the sentence, right? so the person managed to get their point accross, and saved on length by using that form - that's actually quite linguistically clever!

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago
[-] hakase@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nope, I can do this all day. Other fun examples of backformation off the top of my head are: "to burgle" from "burglar" (which the Brits still get mad about (note: this is incorrect, see conversation below)), originally from the Latin agent noun burglator from the verb burgare; and "cherry", backformed from Old French cerise, which was reinterpreted as a plural (even though it wasn't one), and then a new singular form was backformed. The same thing happened to "pea" (though that's a native English word) - you can still see the original "pease" in the old nursery rhyme: "Pease porridge hot, pease porridge cold, pease porridge in a pot nine days old".

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 8 months ago

I was making a joke with a modern example of a noun being verbified, but thank you for your insight.

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh wow, I'm feeling very whooshed at the moment. Sorry about that.

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[-] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 months ago

Keep complaining and it's going to be a noun next

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Why don't you have a vague about it

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 7 points 8 months ago

Girls have a vaguena.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago

Since someone used it as a verb and it was understood by their audience

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 16 points 8 months ago

'vagueing abt me being ableist'

'implying i was ableist'

There, translated.

Oh look, proper english is more direct and succinct!

Guess the tumblr user likes vagueing as well.

[-] BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Thank you. I'm so sick of people jumping on 'oh language changes over time' when others are just using words wrong.

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[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 13 points 8 months ago

"Vagueing" as in "vagueposting".

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 7 points 8 months ago

Since we've all had to rework any word referencing Twitter for obvious reasons, I suppose.

"Posting" is fine, all the dumb "toots" and "skeets" are not. If you're trying to salvage "vaguetweeting" I suppose that is a semi-reasonable outcome. I don't think it works quite as well for subtweeting, though.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

What the hell is vaguetweeting though?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago

Vagueposting istthe replacement word. It means posting about someone or a situational without being precise about the person or event

[-] aarRJaay@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

Like. ... "Wishing some people would mind their own business". Or "Life can be really hard sometimes, but you've got to push through". With no context, or explanation. Basically seeking attention or sympathy.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago

Kinda like that yes, but often a bit more specific to a situation, like the example the OP mentioned "an ableist tried to make small talk about the weather" etc.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Half the time it isn't even that clear what they are posting about.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 6 points 8 months ago

That's jus tweeting in general.

Also, I realize the resulting confusion means this was technically "vaguing"/vagueposting itself. Recursion!

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I don't know what a vaguetweet is either, but that's fucking gross too

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[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

As far as zoomer/alpha slang goes, this makes a HELL of a lot more sense than most of the shit they've turned into verbs and the vast lexicon of terms they have for people who disappoint them.

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[-] alekwithak@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

A screenshot of an Instagram reel of a Tumblr post? Okay.

[-] menemen@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago

I agree, this needed more layers.

[-] urfavlaura@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago
[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago
[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

Laura apparently doesn't know cell phone screen shot etiquette... You can only post screen shots if your cell phone battery is below 15%

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[-] faltryka@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

This is so true, it has been really sad watching people I care about get sucked into this cycle of anti accountability for their actions and behaviors, and then sabotage all of their relationships in a vicious cycle of misunderstanding and anger.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Its wild to watch society at large do this more and more often, from the outside, as a non corpo, algorithm driven social media user.

People are unlearning, or just never learning, how to be accountable, how to communcate precisely, at a linguistic level... and hyperbole just keeps getting presented as literality.

The only thing I can compare it to is 1984's newspeak, but that is all top down, mandated, enforced... and this is ... organic, but amplified by our communication methods being maximized for drama.

The average person increasingly just has no actual linguistic/mental ability to convey a precise thought.

Its even impacting the art we make.

Idiot plots.

Idiot plots everywhere, more and more entire shows either heavily involve or entirely revolve around characters continuously making increasingly emotionally elevated judgements against other characters, which all could have been solved or avoided if one or two or three of them just said a few things that were more precise and less vague at key plot beats.

Maybe we need a name for a trope that is a subtype of the idiot plot, for a plot that only happens because everyone is emotionally bipolar/hypercharged, and also is incapable of directly and accurately asking a question, answering a question, making a statement, incapable of not using loaded questions, vague answers, and 'Schrödinger's Irony' style statements, where its just a joke if immediate reception is negative, but totally serious if reception is positive.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The average person increasingly just has no actual linguistic/mental ability to convey a precise thought.

One of my most frightening and profound realizations as an adult, was that our language is our most powerful tool and nobody seems to know or care. It's how we can abstract the universe, rearrange ideas and concepts and come up with new ways to approach problems and explain feelings.

Because if you're not consciously explaining your feelings, you're unconsciously doing it, and make no mistake, your brain is ONLY a tool for telling a story to explain your feelings. It's not some vast computer or calculator, it's a hyper-charged neural network designed to write stories to tie up loose ends and provide cause and effect for the world around you. It doesn't seek logic or reason, it just wants continuity.

The sooner you realize this in life, the sooner you can start getting a handle on things like your own mental health, identifying rumination and where it comes from, figuring out what choices give you the best outcomes and how to overcome momentary discomfort for great rewards later. Things that our disconnected world is increasingly having a harder and harder time doing.

Because we're abandoning language. And no, listening to social media and reading posts doesn't boost your language, it doesn't train your brain how to take YOUR experiences and feelings and abstractify them into ideas you can move around and view from different perspectives... something we should be able to do with ease if we have a large enough toolset to make accurate pictures of our lives. Social media and reading posts doesn't boost you abilities to accurately abstractify the world and your life, it just gives you other people's stories. Which are usually equally inaccurate or limited in scope.

If we don't have language tools to help your brain write a more accurate story, you will believe terrible things about yourself, about others, about the entire world, and you will live in that state always.

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[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago

Everytime I see videos like that, I have to remember the promise I made to myself not to become like my father.
It gets harder every year.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

i find it helps me to view other people explicitly as separate entities with free will.

Makes it harder to do any sort of funny business when you're more aware of their autonomy on a fundamental level.

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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Engaging in small talk is "nicebombing" and is psychopathic behaviour? Now I have seen everything...

Reminds me of how any guy who develops feelings for a woman, gets rejected and feels upset at being heartbroken is labelled a Nice Guy™, or worse, an incel.

Sometimes I wonder if an external influence of some kind has been messing with the psyche of the modern generations. Maybe decades of austerity, flouride in tap water, social media addiction, microplastics or vape fluids containing far nastier chemicals than nicotine?

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[-] St0ner@lemmy.wtf 11 points 8 months ago

wtf kinda world do these psychos wanna live in ? only text don't talk. no calls only video conference. no music just music videos or vidvoks(letterkenny ftw) It's about out of hand , git off my lawn!

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

this just terminally online brain rot

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

My pet peeve it "psychologist say".

First of all, no, we don't say any of that. Second, who are these magic ethereal psychologist. Because, unless you quote a peer reviewed paper, your argument is void. And even then you could be, as is often the case, grossly misinterpreting or misrepresenting the field.

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