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[-] lembas@lemm.ee 276 points 2 months ago

I'm so fucking scared. They've inhibited our movement by fucking with passports, they've defined us as dishonest and dishonorable in the EO kick us out of the military, they've codified the notion that our gender identity constitutes sexual deviance and poses a threat to children, they've attacked proven life-saving care, with a focus on children and an impact on adults.

and now they're trying to book-burn us out of existence.

this is systematic dehumanization, the track record of which is grim.

There's just straight up not enough of us to do this on our own.

If people don't start standing up for us, we're fucked.

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Wait, how did they mess with passports?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

There was a story about how they wouldn't renew some transgender persons passport the other day.

[-] fadingembers 20 points 2 months ago

They confiscated it, wouldn't give it back and were threatening to arrest her. There are also reports of trans people that were renewing their passports by mail and told they wouldn't be getting them back.

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[-] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

They are stealing the documents of trans people who go to get new documents including passports, leaving them without identifying paperwork (and identified by the authorities by the paperwork they lost) in a time where that is very convenient for the people in power, and threatening them with arrest if they ask for them back. In addition to what has been said already

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

They’re refusing to issue passports to people who have had their gender marker legally changed, and some bigoted employees have been illegally confiscating documents (like birth certificates and social security cards) from those who try anyways.

So if your drivers license gender marker doesn’t match your birth certificate, they’ll refuse to issue the passport, and there’s a non-zero chance that the person behind the desk will steal both when you try to apply. So now you don’t have a passport and you need to go through the arduous process of getting all new ID paperwork just to prove who you are.

[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

From my sister about my 17y.o. trans niece: "Unfortunately, [niece] had a children's passport (expired now), so she's in the group who would not be able to get a passport anymore because her birth certificate and social security don't currently match each other and don't match her passport records."

[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

The entire passport office is shut down right now .

They are not issuing new passports.

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[-] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 156 points 2 months ago
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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 148 points 2 months ago

Literally speedrunning the Nazi handbook.

[-] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 148 points 2 months ago

Look at all this cancel culture….

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 108 points 2 months ago

Back up everything. Don't let it be memory-holed! Holy crap.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago

This needs more upvotes. Granted, the time to back up everything was when project 2025 hit the internet last year.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 91 points 2 months ago
[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 months ago

What's the opposite of eating the onion? That happened to me just now too

[-] superkret@feddit.org 21 points 2 months ago

Drinking the swamp

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 88 points 2 months ago

The first books the Nazis burned were scientific research notes about trans people.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The first books the Nazis burned were scientific research notes about trans people

Impressive that it is actually true, I thought it is an exaggeration. From Wikipedia:

On 30 January 1933, Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Nazi Party, came to power

On 6 May 1933, a group of students ... the students proceeded to shout "Brenne Hirschfeld!" ("Burn Hirschfeld!") while ransacking and vandalizing the Institute, tearing pictures from the walls, pouring inkwells onto carpets, and destroying exhibitions while the band played outside.

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago

Yeah, when they teach about book burnings they never mention that fact. It also serves as a reminder that trans people are not just a modern phenomenon. The Nazis' reasons for targeting trans people then are the same as right-wingers today, they look for a small, marginalized group and seize on existing prejudice to sow division and divide and conquer. The Nazis claimed trans people were a Jewish plot to weaken and destroy the Ayran race, and you can still see echos of that in some right-wing rhetoric today.

[-] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 80 points 2 months ago

Oh look...

The US is embedding a totalitarian theonomic government. A new, (soon to be) militarized, hierarchy regime of religious fanaticism and newly created social classes, in which DEI is being brutally subjugated.

I swear I've seen this show before...

[-] Tin 76 points 2 months ago

“forbidden terms”

...must be that "free speech" I keep hearing about. This is obviously a first amendment issue, right?

Right?

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

to be fair you've been hearing about it from this troglodyte:

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 75 points 2 months ago

So much money wasted modifying all these documents.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

For them, it's worth the cost for greater good.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For them, it’s worth the cost for greater ~~good~~ harm.

They don't care about the greater good. They care about causing as much harm as they can.

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[-] MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

Don't they know just because you've banned a word, doesn't mean that the item or thing automatically poofs out of existence?

This is that easy. There's a few words I'd love to ban. How about Elmo? And Turd

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

It makes it harder to pursue science when you cannot use the terns others in ypur field use.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

This is a 21st century version of book burning.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

This is Project 2025 in action.

[-] prole 29 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, this kind of control of language does work in the long term.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Wiping trans people from existence is easier for them to do when nobody is allowed to talk about them.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

It's just the first step. You don't acknowledge they exist on paper or in speech. That makes it much easier to turn against them physically. It's still up in the air whether or not they take the final steps of making their existence illegal. I think they will.

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And just like that sci-hub will be even more useful

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

There is also annas-archive.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 63 points 2 months ago
[-] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 44 points 2 months ago

This is... This is bad! Wow.

[-] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Since when does the CDC have the authority to do this in the first place? If the CDC can't effectively police actions during a global pandemic they sure as shit shouldn't have to authority to control the terminology used in medical research.

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[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Following the manual to the letter

[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

This must be all that government waste I've been hearing about...

[-] Stormdancer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

What the actual fuck?! It's like living in a fever-driven nightmare. We can only hope there are backups of the un-purged documents.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 27 points 2 months ago

This is pretty dumb even by trump standards. You would think the right of all people would know that trying to ban terms will just result in new euphemisms and jargon being created.

Most of the research caught up is probably going to be using the terms incidentally (for instance, a drug study that happens to mention participants were AMAB) and this will cause a bunch of paperwork and probably just end up being changed to something like "gametically" or "chromosomally".

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Think even more general than that. Ignore identity/gender/sexuality issues for a moment. How do you write a research article about the negative effects of a drug on pregnancy without using the word pregnant? About complications during a "normal pregnancy"(I'm using their word, not mine - please don't take offense - I hope you see where I'm going)? If you can't mention gender or pregnancy, even when it's about cis people, you suddenly can't do a whole hell of a lot of research.

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[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago

I think the endgame is to tear down anything tax dollars have touched. Which, you know, is plausible since his entire platform could be simply summed up as a giant middle finger.

Expect them to attempt to torch more than our science databases

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Truth always is the first victim.

[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 18 points 2 months ago

The CDC has instructed its scientists to retract or pause the publication of any research manuscript being considered by any medical or scientific journal, not merely its own internal periodicals

The scope is thankfully limited only to CDC scientists.

Not that this makes it good news by any stretch.

This is going to push research money squarely under the thumb of corporate control, which is of course the aim here. Privatize everything.

I do know scientists hate having their work paywalled or censored so I’d expect sci-hub to get a lot more popular real quick, but many will definitely self censor their official publications to keep their jobs til orange hitler shoots himself in a bunker somewhere.

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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Why not move all journals out of the US or move all research out of US journals. Who cares if for instance JAMA publishes nothing this year? Nearly 100% of the value was always in the scientists who write and review the work

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