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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

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[-] Godort@lemm.ee 167 points 2 months ago

"We're not liberal or conservative, we're a secret third thing!(conservative)"

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

They're swiss.

We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.

I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don't even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.

You're absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.

[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 61 points 2 months ago

When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they're progressive or something along the lines of "Our political orientation isn't represented in US politics" to acknowledge that, like you did.

But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you're neutral isn't a good look.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren't immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren't magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.

Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever "political party" they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.

[-] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your nationality is or what parties exist in that country.

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.

[-] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago
[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

We are in a thread about businesses supporting Nazis.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

They vote for whoever helps them get paid the most.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 14 points 2 months ago

Capitalist.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 106 points 2 months ago

“Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”

I don't believe that they haven't heard of Lina Khan.

[-] lksaar@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 2 months ago

Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I've discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

his reddit account is pretry active if you want to read bad takes

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They did, they even worked together in the past.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/m7psmzx/

Quote for those who don't want to reddit.

Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I've discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

Edit: I see someone else already posted it. I will leave it here even if it's a duplicate for future self-shame.

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not an ad
Enter email to receive emails

I disagree, Mr Website.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 64 points 2 months ago

This is what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like folks. Suck up to the big man and he'll let you fleece the joint.

[-] DigDoug@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've been looking in to degoogling and was considering Protonmail before this. Does anybody know of a good alternative? Espeically one that lets you have multiple email addresses?

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I bit the bullet this month & bought a domain so I can assign mail handling and change providers without changing my email address. Currently using https://purelymail.com/ because they're $10/year for as many addresses & domains as you want "within reason." It's apparently just one guy with some AWS instances, but it was very straightforward to set up.

[-] philnc@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

I was dumb enough to walk away from that approach about 10 years ago. Ugh. But you've convinced me. The annual cost of a domain is lunch money for a week. The freedom it provides in this scenario is well worth it.

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[-] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

+1 for purelymail.

I've had my personal domain on gmail and most recently proton. Proton got too pricy when I wanted to add another couple of domains. After some research I landed on purelymail, and it's been smooth sailing to set up and use.

[-] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The same applies to what I commented about Mxroute - Purelymail doesn't cater to users who require end-to-end encryption, advanced privacy features, or those who need built-in security measures beyond standard email protocols, as it's primarily focused on reliable email delivery and hosting rather than security-first communication.

Tuta would be a viable alternative to Proton.

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[-] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

If you only care about email (and calendar, I guess) Tuta is a pretty good choice. I've been using it for years and had only one problem very early on. Additional aliases are only available with the paid plan (€3 a month) however, same as Proton I believe.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Yup.

Tuta works well for me for the past year or so, so I recently switched to their annual plan. I used Proton for a couple years (paid plan) and preferred it, but they raised the price so I bailed. The €3 plan from Tuta is more than enough for me.

[-] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm still on a legacy plan (which still feels like a really good deal despite some small concessions compared to the new plans) but yeah, even with the new prices it's definitely worth it.

Also, while not strictly email focused but they have a blog with articles about various privacy related topics and news - it's a pretty neat source of info, especially for those less knowledgeable about this stuff.

[-] coherent_domain@infosec.pub 10 points 2 months ago

I have tuta, bitwarden, firefox relay, and libreoffice, seems to work decently. I am also considering getting a mullvald vpn, but not sure how well it works with torrenting, since they no longer support port-forward.

[-] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Using Mullvad, I stay connected to it 24/7. I've no problems with torrenting. It costs 5€/month. Maybe try it out to see if it'll suit you as well.

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[-] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 9 points 2 months ago

It's not the most practical thing in the universe, but I have a small VPS that I host my email on for myself and a couple others (5 addresses in total). It's a bit of a pain to set up, but once it's working, it is really nice to have that kind of control.

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[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I have pretty good experience with Tutanota an bitwarden as the most direct alternatives

Tutanota apps lack a bit of polish but the UI looks reasonably nice and gets the job done. Bitwarden has treated me pretty well.

[-] MangoPenguin 7 points 2 months ago

Mailbox.org

[-] karpintero@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

After digging around, I'm going to try Tuta for email/calendar and Mullvad for VPN. Tuta's €3 plan lets you have 15 additional addresses and 3 custom domains.

Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

I run Synology NAS at home and I love it, but it was expensive to set up.

Other extreme is Syncthing for completely free device sync, but no backup beyond your devices and both devices must be online to sync.

I self-hosted Nextcloud on cloudamo with Cryptomator for e2ee but I can't really recommend it. Nextcloud is pain to administer and tends to be buggy.

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[-] cupcakezealot 37 points 2 months ago

The fact that a privacy company based in a non five eyes country is even praising a government - especially one like the US - is a red flag.

Nevermind the fact that they claim Republicans are anti big tech while being surrounded by tech CEOs...

[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 26 points 2 months ago
[-] themadcodger@kbin.earth 15 points 2 months ago

Yeah, my two year contact just renewed with them before this happened. fml

[-] Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You can get a refund within 30 of an auto-renewal. That's what I did too.

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[-] karpintero@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

You can still cancel your subscription so that it won't auto-renew in 2 years and it let's you leave a comment when doing so if you want to voice any concerns.

[-] othermark@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago

Eww I stepped in shit

[-] menemen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I believe them. They’ll praise whomever is in power. Neutral opportunists.

[-] cupcakezealot 6 points 2 months ago

That's not a good thing though.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Correct. It’s bad, whether the Dems or the GOP are in power. It’s not suddenly bad now.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I may be too Roman, but I will never trust a Swiss.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Capitalism -> Fascism

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