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Summary

Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.

McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.

The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.

McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.

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[-] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 52 minutes ago

At least McBride can now use the women's restrooms in the Capitol. And so must all the other politicians!

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 21 points 6 hours ago

Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 minutes ago

Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it's detrimental to the entire country.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago

Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."

Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."

Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don't you liberals understand 5d chess!?

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 3 points 19 minutes ago

"Trump beat Hilary to being the first woman president" is honestly hilarious to me. Sad, but also hilarious.

[-] prole 133 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.

They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.

You don't get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 28 points 5 hours ago

I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.

The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 40 minutes ago

The Senate flipping is also a very real possibility in 2026. There are 22 Republican seats up for grabs and only 13 Democratic ones.

[-] TheTux@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This. In much the same way an elder god doesn't give a damn about conservation of energy or the square cubed law, a dictator with effectively un-checked power doesn't care about wording of executive orders or LAWS. Be careful.
Cthulu has woken from eons (4 years) of slumber (not being president) to ravage the planet, while looking like a moldy cheese puff.

Edit: thankfully he's not nearly as powerful as this metaphor implies, but the point stands. The law won't stop him, I don't trust the Dems to stop him, the only thing that will is worker's might.

[-] Xtallll 3 points 1 hour ago

He doesn't have fucking unchecked power, he has a slim majority in congress, a full diaper, and a constitutional deadline before he stops having any power. Don't give him an inch, make them fight for every grain of sand.

[-] Absaroka@lemmy.world 114 points 10 hours ago

I'm not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

One team is trying to govern, and the other team is trying to win.

If Democrats lied constantly, denied science, sowed fear and hatred, and used the law to enforce their personal religious beliefs... They'd be indistinguishable from Republicans.

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 9 hours ago

The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

This assumes a fair playing field.

[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 9 points 8 hours ago

This assumes the Democrats aren't also keenly aware of what is happening and either doing a real sorry job of putting up any viable opposition or are in on the game. The two-party system is a front

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

They didn't outsmart them, they just are trying to destroy everything. Their actions aren't bounded by such qualifiers as "good things happening".

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 149 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 14 points 7 hours ago

"At conception" leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.

[-] prole 32 points 9 hours ago

It's fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won't let some silly technicality stop them.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago

I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

E pluribus unum, baby.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 100 points 11 hours ago
[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 67 points 11 hours ago

You've heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago

Ope we're all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.

[-] ianhclark510 7 points 9 hours ago

Nope, you can still be straight if you’re attracted to males outside the US, executive orders aren’t worldwide

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 34 points 11 hours ago

TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!

[-] superkret@feddit.org 18 points 10 hours ago

Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!

[-] superkret@feddit.org 14 points 10 hours ago

You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.

[-] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 minutes ago

It’s easier to wage an imaginary culture war than it is to try to make any real changes

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 31 points 11 hours ago

Bad headline IMO, she's more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 45 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

"This is logically flawed because " won't really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You're arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument "because God said so" in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won't save you, because that's not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 35 points 11 hours ago

Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he'd sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we're getting a lot of them like this

[-] cannibalkitteh 14 points 10 hours ago

The truth is, they don't care how poorly written it is, they're just trying to flood the zone with stuff, and they win no matter the outcome. If it's not challenged, they have policy, if it is challenged, it occupies time and resources and most importantly, if it's challenged unsuccessfully, they have legal precident.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

it is challenged, it occupies time and resources

It also takes up their time and resources to which I say: good. Slow it all down

They'd rather be able to steam roll through it all. Make them waste time defending everything so they can't sue as much about things they do care about or move on to putting other things in effect

[-] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 10 points 10 hours ago

This is where I'm at too. Even rubber stamping shit takes a non zero amount of time. We should be bouncing back anything that has so much as a misplaced comma, let alone shit like this.

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[-] fadingembers 4 points 8 hours ago

You think the supreme court won't side with whatever schlock trump puts out? You should listen to a few of their hearings. The ones on free speech and transgender issues are specifically telling.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Not all cases make it up to SCOTUS. Massive numbers of suits are being filed right now, they can't take them all up with just 9 justices. Many of these lawsuit are intentionally filed in places with more dem appointees on the district and appeals courts

SCOTUS is insane, but they are also not in lock step with Trump. They have their own agenda that often align with Trump but not always. For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way

We won't we every fight, but there's fights we can win. Use every tool we can against them

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way

https://newrepublic.com/post/190366/gorsuch-supreme-court-tiktok-ban

“But the question we face today is not the law’s wisdom, only its constitutionality. Given just a handful of days after oral argument to issue an opinion, I cannot profess the kind of certainty I would like to have about the arguments and record before us. All I can say is that, at this time and under these constraints, the problem appears real and the response to it not unconstitutional,” Gorsuch continued

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Isn’t that every despot’s idea, though? Make all laws used to control people nebulous enough that they can be applied to anyone for whatever reason? Just because it’s inept doesn’t mean it isn’t useful.

[-] zabadoh@ani.social 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

We'd all better march down to the DMV and update our genders then...

It's required by imperial edict now.

[-] Kaput@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

No! That's where the pants pocket removal squads will get you.

[-] RacerX@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

You can have my pockets when you pry my cold dead hands from them.

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