Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.
Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."
Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."
Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."
Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.
They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
You don't get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.
This. In much the same way an elder god doesn't give a damn about conservation of energy or the square cubed law, a dictator with effectively un-checked power doesn't care about wording of executive orders or LAWS. Be careful.
Cthulu has woken from eons (4 years) of slumber (not being president) to ravage the planet, while looking like a moldy cheese puff.
I'm not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.
Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.
The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams
This assumes the Democrats aren't also keenly aware of what is happening and either doing a real sorry job of putting up any viable opposition or are in on the game. The two-party system is a front
Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.
"At conception" leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.
It's fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won't let some silly technicality stop them.
E pluribus unum, baby.
I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.
One gender for everyone!
You've heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender
Ope we're all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.
Nope, you can still be straight if you’re attracted to males outside the US, executive orders aren’t worldwide
They are in America! YEAH!!! MERICA!!!
TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!
Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome
You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!
You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!
"Human Beings", like the Greendale mascot.
If you're not female, you're dead! Not a threat, just a fact.
For some reason this makes me think of the inscription on the One Ring.
It began with the forging of the Genders. Three were given to the Transgenders, eepy, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Non-binaries, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine genders were gifted to the furry-folk, who above all else desire power. For within these genders was bound the strength and the will to govern each gay community. But they were all of them deceived, for another gender was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master gender, and into this gender he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.
Bad headline IMO, she's more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off
"This is logically flawed because " won't really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You're arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument "because God said so" in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won't save you, because that's not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.
Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he'd sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we're getting a lot of them like this
You think the supreme court won't side with whatever schlock trump puts out? You should listen to a few of their hearings. The ones on free speech and transgender issues are specifically telling.
Not all cases make it up to SCOTUS. Massive numbers of suits are being filed right now, they can't take them all up with just 9 justices. Many of these lawsuit are intentionally filed in places with more dem appointees on the district and appeals courts
SCOTUS is insane, but they are also not in lock step with Trump. They have their own agenda that often align with Trump but not always. For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way
We won't we every fight, but there's fights we can win. Use every tool we can against them
For instance, they just ruled 9-0 on the TikTok ban while Trump was calling for the courts to rule the opposite way
https://newrepublic.com/post/190366/gorsuch-supreme-court-tiktok-ban
“But the question we face today is not the law’s wisdom, only its constitutionality. Given just a handful of days after oral argument to issue an opinion, I cannot profess the kind of certainty I would like to have about the arguments and record before us. All I can say is that, at this time and under these constraints, the problem appears real and the response to it not unconstitutional,” Gorsuch continued
The truth is, they don't care how poorly written it is, they're just trying to flood the zone with stuff, and they win no matter the outcome. If it's not challenged, they have policy, if it is challenged, it occupies time and resources and most importantly, if it's challenged unsuccessfully, they have legal precident.
it is challenged, it occupies time and resources
It also takes up their time and resources to which I say: good. Slow it all down
They'd rather be able to steam roll through it all. Make them waste time defending everything so they can't sue as much about things they do care about or move on to putting other things in effect
This is where I'm at too. Even rubber stamping shit takes a non zero amount of time. We should be bouncing back anything that has so much as a misplaced comma, let alone shit like this.
No it doesn't slow them down. They will do the fucking thing anyway. Why do you think they'd stop just because they used the wrong wording?
Who the fuck is going to stop them?
It has slowed them before. Make them have to keep rewriting it to survive challenges
Make them deal with the companies who don't trust the next admin won't just go the opposite way. Apple for instance is keeping TikTok delisted from the App Store despite trump trying to extend it
Make them have to deal with federal worker strikes
Make them have to deal with local & state officals who won't comply with invalid orders
There is a fight. Don't let them get away without one
It has slowed them before. Make them have to keep rewriting it to survive challenges
How is it not already abundantly clear that this is not "before." There is no precedent for what is currently happening
Who "makes" them exactly? This is fascism now. The person with the biggest army gets what they want, and everyone else better shut the fuck up or die.
It also takes up their time and resources
It's YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES! They do it on public employee time and with tax money. They are weaponizing the state against the people. There isn't an upside to this.
So stand down and never fight? Absolutely not
There is a fight, don't let them go without one
Progress will happen at the local and state level. The goal at the federal level is damage control
And every challenge is a chance to kick it up all the way to the Supreme Court where it can be enshrined as constitutional precedent.
This exactly. It's disconcerting to see how many people seem to be laughing this off.
They have zero interest in logic and consistency. We know what they mean, the actual words they used don't matter.
We'd all better march down to the DMV and update our genders then...
It's required by imperial edict now.
No! That's where the pants pocket removal squads will get you.
Isn’t that every despot’s idea, though? Make all laws used to control people nebulous enough that they can be applied to anyone for whatever reason? Just because it’s inept doesn’t mean it isn’t useful.
Trump scientifically and detail obtuse, color me derped!
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