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[-] elfpie@beehaw.org 2 points 1 hour ago

A post about sex determination that seems relevant.

https://beehaw.org/post/15996092

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 7 hours ago

I'm thinking trump and the Republican party are really bad, like cruel and stupid bad, and maybe we shouldn't let them give orders anymore.

[-] millie@beehaw.org 39 points 12 hours ago

I always find it weird that conservatives think this is some kind of gotcha for binary trans people. Like, okay, this is a shitty thing to say to nonbinary or intersex people and is both untrue and cruel. But how is this relevant to me, a binary trans woman?

Like.. hello my gender isn't 'trans', it's 'woman'. Idiots.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 13 points 9 hours ago

First they came for the enbies

[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 8 points 8 hours ago

From the article:

The definition of male and female will be based on whether people are born with eggs or sperm, rather than on their chromosomes.

What did you say your gender was?

[-] millie@beehaw.org 13 points 7 hours ago

Well nobody is born with sperm so..

[-] Aaron@lemmy.nz 8 points 7 hours ago
[-] millie@beehaw.org 8 points 7 hours ago
[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 2 points 6 hours ago

True Feminism means acknowledging that women can be just as fallible as men.

[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Not sure I'd call a world made up of breeders, the undesirable, and Elon's sperm bank, much of an utopia.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

How do they confirm that? Surgery?

[-] vfsh 14 points 10 hours ago

In fairness part of the decree is that it also can't be changed, so definitely still an impact to both binary and nonbinary trans folks. Also love the downplay of enby impacts, if it doesn't impact you it doesn't matter?

[-] millie@beehaw.org 2 points 10 hours ago

Read my post before you reply to it. Thanks.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 15 points 9 hours ago

They did and you're being unnecessarily rude.

[-] Alice@beehaw.org 10 points 9 hours ago

How does your post contradict what they said? You asked how it impacts a binary trans person, and they explained that the part about it being unchangeable is supposed to target y'all (and all trans people).

I know a lot of us, probably most of us, haven't changed so much as taken ownership of who we always were. So yeah I guess technically this order isn't a "gotcha", but unfortunately that's not how transphobes see it. :(

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 7 hours ago

How do I cross post?

[-] its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org 29 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

This is an executive order, not a law. That doesn't make it any less terrible, however. Those commenting it is just political posturing are seriously misinformed at the wide range and scope this action will (not might, not could, WILL) have on you. Anything even tangentially related to getting work done, grants made, research funded with the federal government will be effected. In brief, the scope and impact of an executive order can vary greatly depending on the specific issue and the details of the order itself. This one will likely be meant to ensure that grant making, contracts, research, and legal recourse for those not subscribing to it's narrow and, frankly, archaic definitions will have a very difficult time interacting with the federal government in a variety of ways. But again, we are entering uncharted territory where the legislative, judicial, and executive are now all openly corrupt and willing to harm and hinder rather than help people.

I don't think the general public realizes the sheer insanity of the new government and their willingness to go far to harm people they don't like or don't agree with. Therein lies the real danger. How this EO will be interpreted and executed across the executive branch will be purposefully cruel and targeted. With the recent spat of boot licking in SCOTUS, I fear we're all in for a world of hurt. I'm just an ally, and I'm telling you that you absolutely must not bury your head in the sand on this one. You have to find ways to either protect yourself or protest/contest in a way you deem necessary for your health and well-being. Even a simple act of protest can mean a world of difference to those who are and will suffer.

The only bright side is an Executive Order ONLY effects federal branches of government under authority of the President. They can be undone by future presidents and challenged/overturned after judicial review. Remember the "Muslim ban?" That was one example.

So please, I beg you, do not brush this off as a Trumpism. This is meant to unleash the powers of hate, ignorance, and brutality that will latch onto as permission to be complete assholes.

[-] VerilyFemme 48 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Jfc this is going to affect intersex people more than trans people.

We were just at the cusp of addressing how fucked up fitting intersex people into one of two boxes is.

[-] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 65 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Ok.

He's wrong and we'll all just ignore him and continue existing.

Medical science will continue showing that sex isn't and never has been a binary either.

Laws can't override nature.

[-] irotsoma 46 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Problem is this means that things we were hoping to get like having hormone replacement therapy actually approved by the FDA for use for transgender care will not happen and any enforcement of anti-discrimination or laws against hate speech at the federal level will no longer apply to trans and non-binary people. This will allow, for example, insurance companies to not have to cover transgender care. There is already a huge waiting list for people who are seeking care in the US due to the lack of specialists (myself included), so that list is likely to get longer. And likely any doctors who might have been planning to take up transgender care specialties may have their programs lose their funding. It's a huge impact to a lot of areas of government and many industries to have the federal government not recognize transgender care as valid and not recognize non-binary people like me as people at all.

Also, I'm fortunate enough to live in a state that is friendly to transgender and non-binary people, but my employer is not based here, so the insurance I have doesn't have to obey local laws that don't allow for blanket policies banning coverage of transgender care. So, the federal laws do matter.

[-] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 12 points 16 hours ago

Thank you for the correction and expansion.

Hoping people will start making their own hormones etc. I understand the rest is shit though and I hope we can all start looking after each other instead.

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 12 points 16 hours ago

If they could read they’d have some strong feelings about this reality

[-] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 8 points 16 hours ago

The ability to read or not does not have anything to do with how much knowledge one can acquire, there are many ways to acquire knowledge.

Don't be ableist and harm people that don't deserve it please.

These people are just willfully ignorant fascists who think they can control reality

No need to ascribe any other features onto them that don't and won't harm them but will harm others.

[-] SayJess 5 points 14 hours ago

It’s a reference to a joke from King of the Hill.

[-] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 points 14 hours ago

Okay, doesn't change it being ableist though.

[-] jdnewmil@lemmy.ca 6 points 15 hours ago

Doesn't stop politicians from trying...

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 4 points 14 hours ago

yeah, it's fine. this is all just political theater and posturing.

just use another name/ term for sex and move on.

[-] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 points 14 hours ago

Or better yet get rid of the whole concept and be specific to body parts etc.

[-] Kit 19 points 14 hours ago
[-] Aaron@lemmy.nz 4 points 7 hours ago

Find community. Meet in person regularly if you can. Just existing in community is huge, if for nothing else than your own emotional, mental, and physical health. We are thinking of you all from outside the US 🫂

[-] chloyster@beehaw.org 11 points 13 hours ago
[-] Kit 6 points 11 hours ago

Many hugs. We'll get through this.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 32 points 16 hours ago

He's probably going to sign an order to make everyone be nice to him next.

Yes, unironically.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 12 points 15 hours ago

this will more than likely get dragged through the courts for the entire term by multiple cases.

plus there's all the legislation that would have to be rewritten or repealed to support this 'policy', that would never get through congress without a larger moron majority than exists currently.

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