Well, I can now say that I've been around to witness my first big users versus moderators versus admins battle royale on Lemmy. And within my first week here! It's been fairly entertaining and also feels like I should have an achievement badge on my profile now. Just need the next achievement of being a participant in one of these matches.
Honestly Ada is hilariously minimally involved, mods being like "we don't like the admin enforcing the instance rules so we're gonna make everyone move to .world!" And then users replying "lmao fuck off we like it here and you can't make us go anywhere"
Yeah that's been one of the funniest parts to watch. It's been moderators versus admins but not users versus admins. Personally I think it's a pretty simple concept that the instance rules come first, then the community rules. I'm not surprised by anything I'm seeing or hearing on the admin side because I think it's pretty clear what to expect when you enter the place and read the sidebar.
I honestly think Ada does the job amazingly, whenever someone starts stirring drama about something she's done I look at what they're talking about and it's something that, while I might not have done that action personally I'd I were in the same spot, I can absolutely understand why she did it and am fine with it.
I'm too new here to be making these kinds of assumptions but whenever I see someone complaining about Ada and team, I'm thinking these might be 'free speech' people that want the right to enter every club without paying the admission, adhering to the dress code and full reign to insult the regulars, staff and owner. Real life doesn't work that way so why should social media?
So far I'm more than happy and impressed with the Blåhaj instance. And even if I move to another instance or mbin or something, I'm still happy to respect the Blåhaj way when I'm in that house.
This federation thing gives me a different outlook on this kind of thing compared to Reddit. When you say "admin" here, you're not talking about some rich incel, you're talking about people putting their time and effort into providing spaces for people to gather and form communities. Probably for little reward.
This federation thing gives me a different outlook on this kind of thing compared to Reddit. When you say “admin” here, you’re not talking about some rich incel, you’re talking about people putting their time and effort into providing spaces for people to gather and form communities. Probably for little reward.
Definitely. Special shout out to admins like @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip, @Shadow@lemmy.ca, @jgrim@discuss.online @milan@discuss.tchncs.de ,@Illecors@lemmy.cafe or @QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz . Great people running great instances
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Glad you liked it, it isn't completely over yet!
I step out for a short bender and come back to this. I hate it when you fight! I'm going to live with grandma this summer!
LW is kinda ass though. What have I done.
From what I can gather from what little they want to share it's very clear to me that they wanted to move to world to attract a larger audience and also so certain transphobic users could participate again. They also repeatedly claim that the community is the moderators rather than the users, which just makes it clear how out of touch they are.
Edit: Also, it's super obvious the reason they don't want to give over the old community is so people are "forced" to move to their new world community. They only care about number go up.
Well, technically they aren't wrong.
Anyway, people are really enjoying the new 196 community. By which I mean the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone community that is growing by leaps and bounds every hour. In the last 3-4 hours there have been 80 posts, 900 users, 360 subscribers... by comparison, in !196@lemmy.world I see just 4 posts, one of which is the new set of regulations threatening people to be banned even before they read any existing posts (bc it's pinned above them I mean).
There is really no comparison here.
Literally telling on herself that she's inactive for weeks to months at a time. But yeah, definitely Ada's fault for trying to actually moderate the largest comm on the instance. I think both sides here are at fault though, as I've seen (and been disappointed by) the way Ada moderates the matrix space she runs.
Tbf, Moss is only one mod among many (I count 10 in the sidebar) - the more damning portion is how it seems NONE of the mods were checking the modlog reports and resolving them.
Also, I don't know the history of the 196@lemmy.world community but from what some comments said, at some point the community moved to lemmy.blahaj.zone and then had no mods, thus belonging entirely to Ada as the "owner"? And Ada,.as she said, has just been doing her thing since before 196 existed even on Reddit. It's not her fault for simply living her authentic life - and rather sounds like the fault of whoever wanted to move the community from lemmy.world to Blåhaj (before abandoning it entirely into Ada's hands to clean up the mess left behind).
This entire situation seems so fucked up from every side. The mods have responsibilities to both the admin as well as the users of the community. They ignored major parts to both of those, tried to move, failed, and now continue to step ever deeper into it with the more they reveal about their "internal voting" and such the worse that the community feels about it all.
It's good to have choices though: if the new mods want to create a different space on Lemmy.World, that's awesome? But they absolutely screwed up the communication about that.:-P
Based on their writing style in their recent long post about the change, they're immature children at best. 6? People wrote it together and it's a disjointed mess.
PTB.
I have no idea which ideological problems people are talking about. I do know however that users are not cattle - you can ask them to migrate to another comm, you can lock a community down, but you cannot herd them to the comm that you want by saying "go there". And trying to prevent users from going to whatever comm they want is a big arsehole move.
Even the removal reply is power-tripping (and dumb/disingenuous/shitty). "Not relevant"? Goddammit this is a 196 community, there's no such thing as "not relevant"! Who are they trying to fool with that toilet entry?
I don't follow that community but one theory seems to be that ultimately it might have been dragon fucker that broke it all apart - https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15732326.
Though the actions and words of the mods themselves tell the entire story all on its own really - they "own" the community, there is no need for a poll, they did not appreciate Ada's "help" despite all the hardships they caused her by failing to attend to the modlog in a timely fashion (which due to its lack of filters is a legitimate hardship upon her), and basically they want the power that any instance admin (like spez) has, yet are completely unwilling to take any of the responsibilities that would come with it.
Oh well, the new community at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone seems to be moving along supremely well without those mods already...
Drags a dickhole but if people didn't get upset about him he would have had no power, that's how shit stirrers work. how hard is it to just use a singular they rather than giving them what they wanted...
The comment that you linked hints that the mod was already considering the migration for quite a while; so if the dragon rider event had any role, it was like a drop of water in the ocean.
If I had to take a guess it's all about the admins keeping a closer control over the community than the mod in question wants to see. So far, so good, if she wants to mod a LW comm instead it's her own decision, but then relinquish control to the people who were clearly against the move.
That is an astute observation. Though I got from it more that it was the last straw that broke the camel's back - like it was relevant, and may have been the thing that actually prompted the move, but it was neither necessary nor sufficient on its own, yet was still the thing that may have caused it. Like a fight within a couple that caused a divorce, though not existing without the context surrounding it, and still the breakup would have happened anyway just at a later date.
The real reason seems to be that the mods looked at what spez said and did and said "nice, when can I do that as well?" Given that... it's only natural to never be satisfied no matter how much free stuff is thrown in one's direction, always more must be sought, demanded, and even fought over. Perhaps it's not enough to win and rather others must lose? Okay then, so they have "won", and people have already moved on.
The reason why I don't think that Dragon Rider is too relevant (not even as a last straw) is that, even if Moss strongly disagrees with how the admins handled that user, Blåhaj is still way more protected against trolls than Lemmy World would ever be. So it wouldn't make sense to move the comm to LW.
Unless the issue is not how the admins handled it, but the fact that they handled it at all? LW has worse protection against trolls, but it gives the mods more control over their comms. That would fit well what you said in the second paragraph, and explain why drag was mentioned at all.
You ended up being right - well perhaps both of us actually but more you. The Drag scenario was mentioned as being specifically not a primary cause, though I still think it looks to be more like salt having been rubbed into an existing wound, so adding emotional force to a preexisting impetus.
And the details are more sparse but indeed the preexisting decision by LBZ to allow LGBTQIA+ tankies from lemmy.ml loomed heavy in the background without much being said about it directly (edit: the source for that thought is the comments in the related posts, not that I know anything about that directly). Though the promises by LW admins - despite that flying HEAVILY in the face of their recent announcement - seemed to have an enormous role.
I am speaking of this latest post by the mods: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20976989.
Seems the community is heading to onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone instead, looks a lot more active
That's deffo a PTB
They're on a streak
Not relevant... On 196.
Or course - don't you know that you are landed gentry, subject to the whims of a king!? 🤪
Because the mod they share locked it to force a move to the lemmy.world one: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone/t/676055/WE-ARE-MOVING-TO-LEMMY-WORLD
But this is a prime example that mods are not their community, which is why I believe users should be able to choose their preferred or alternate moderators when participating in a community.
I beg to differ: that is not the prime example that mods are not their community, this is: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20968775 -> the new !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone that somebody requested and Ada already allowed and gave the shortcut name 196 to already has 80 posts, 900 users and 360 subscribers despite being ~3 hours old and most people haven't even heard the drama yet but this has already solved it!:-P
Yeah, that's a power trip, strange to be posturing as anti-authoritarian but then unilaterally making decisions like that.
Not Relevant, I can't believe it. How is that proper Moderation? That PTB didn't realize that the community they was the self-proclaimed head-honcho would dislike this shit move. By locking the original community they cemented their position as shittiest mod of all time.
I just don't get why they don't unlock it.
how can they still be in power when the original exist. That's my guess why they don't want to unlock it.
That's just pure power tripping.
!android@lemdro.id tried that back in the days locking !android@lemmy.world to channel all users to their community.
Needless to say, the uproar was huge.
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
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