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For real, the “if” in that sentence could reasonably win an Olympic powerlifting competition
its honest a boon for gamers as microsoft now actually has to spend more effort making windows betters for gamers then spending all of its effort on windows for arm and AI. one of the things windows as an OS lacks is that the handheld experience is actually trash, and the OS is a resource hog for a handheld device
They tried to make the handheld experience better in windows 8... 🤣
imo the metro take of windows 8 wasn't the wrong approach for its intended market(tablets) it's just forcing it on desktop/laptop users as well as a boneheaded decision.
They need to stop forcing windows changes for ALL users, including to the users that can't use said features properly (as it was designed with touch screens in mind, and not everyone had touchscreens). Same idea with the more recent stuff involving Recall. not everyone has AI capable pcs, so its dumb to include the change to all users that will exist on the main branch of the OS, and would apply down the line to windows handhelds as well, who will likely not need recall as a feature as its using up resources. And im not like a person whose like fully Anti AI either, it just has its specific userbase that may need it, and there are others (like with a windows handheld case) that should not have it at all, as it is likely a detriment to battery if enabled by default.
That's what I was implying with the elipses, I just couldn't be bothered writing all that 😅
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Competition is always great. To be fair, Windows wasn't really designed with a handheld game console in mind as its target distribution platform. SteamOS, at least its current version, was designed for that exact purpose. Would definitely welcome a more lightweight Windows to come from this though, not just for handhelds but just regular desktops too.
That "If" is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Really interested to see where SteamOS goes in the future.
It's easy to understate what an unusual project SteamOS is. It represents over a dozen years of work from some of the industry's finest, is funded by a private company, yet is open source and free for everyone to use. "I'm pretty happy that we've managed to find a balance that's beneficial to everyone, while still being able to help this PC ecosystem in this way," says Griffais. "I'm really happy about that."
I can't wait to try it
The way that's worded implies that the only way it can hurt Windows is if Windows sucks. Subtle and true. Do better Microsoft. Or don't. We don't care, we're just doing our own thing.
Killing windows would just be a little happy accident
Microsoft wants all future apps to go through their store. Basically like Apple does in Mac [ appears you can ]. I do believe this is the future for Windows apps. Once that happens, Valve running on Windows will be second fiddle. Valve's only choice is to migrate to another OS or end up like Mozilla.
They'll never be able to force that.
It would instantly break compatibility with >99% of windows software.
They are trying with Windows S but i don't think it has much of a market.
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good experience on Windows
Windows 7 was the last time I had that experience lol
98 Good
ME Bad
XP Good
Vista Bad
7 Good
8 Bad
10 Good
11 Bad
Let me know when 12 is out I guess...
Remember when windows said 10 would be the last version of windows, and they’d just keep sending updates from then on? That lie didn’t last long…
And they’re EoLing it this coming October! Can’t they wait until 12 at least to do that? I can’t remember the last time the end of life came before two versions had gone by. Wtf!
They’re desperate to get people on to 11.
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Windows feels like a bit of a sinking ship. Not entirely, and it's slow, but the feeling is present and consistent. I don't want to keep having to rip apart the OS to remove shit they shoved onto my hardware without my consent. I just want an easyish experience that I can do my shit on, and they aren't really interested in that it feels.
In comparison to that, alternatives like steam os sounds great to your average user.
Windows: So you're saying there's a chance
That's cheeky.
I was saying death to Windows.
It's about making more steam users. Windows is great, they can use steam. They're going after people who can't afford a pc. If people get a deck or steamos who already do own one, that's just gravy
The weird thing with this is i became a pc gamer precisely because it was the cheapest platform.
Most homes had/have a desktop pc. The hardware was mostly irrelevant because Low graphics settings where default and actually looked more readable then the dlss blurs of today.
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I've finally banished Windows to a virtual machine, and am gearing up to fistfight Easy: ~~Anti-cheat~~ Rootkit AKA Fucking piece of shit that does precisely fuck-all to stop cheating despite having access to kernel space in order to get Sea of Thieves working on my virtual machine.
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I need Windows to die because I'm tired of having to use it just to get proper HDR and Nvidia support. Or at the very least, AMD GPUs need to get better.
It's not about killing windows… but if it were to have an accident, y'know… I'm just sayin'…
Honestly almost everything works on my steam deck. The only things that don't work are online only games with anti-cheat, and I barely ever touch those. I could possibly make the leap on my main pc to be fully steamos
Make the switch to Linux, by all means but I don't think you should use SteamOS as a desktop OS.
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SteamOS is about Valve not paying Microsoft a license fee. It's not some egalitarian move by them but a cost saving. From a game dev's perspective it's additional cost and effort to port a game, or hope it runs under emulation with Proton.
I am surprised they haven't used it for cloud gaming yet since that's where the real cost savings kick in but I bet they're still saving on each Steam Deck they sell without Windows on it.
It's not about killing Windows.
It's about slowing making G*mers comfortable with the idea of Valve's own closed off ecosystem.
They have already made G*mers comfortable with not owning their games, loot boxes, micro transactions.
This is just another example of Valve being the money grubbing, monopolistic, anti-consumer company that they've somehow got away with for years now.
I'm not sure that Valve working to making Linux gaming a smoother experience is a strong example of them being money grubbing and anti-consumer.
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It is hilarious to me that Lemmy users, who seem to mostly be obsessed with Linux (borderline Arch users except slightly less annoying about it), talk like Windows is such a massively hated OS when it is literally still the most widely distributed and used OS in the world. Like yes, so many people globally hate Windows which is why everyone keeps using Windows and not switching to something they hate less. Of course.
I don't think it follows that a product having many users means it is not hated. Just look at health insurance in the US. I'm not saying everyone is secretly itching to ditch Windows and move to Linux as soon as possible but I do think the vast majority of people simply don't care and just use whatever the default option is provided that things work well enough. If it becomes just as easy to use Linux as Windows (including PC vendors offering Linux preinstalled and working with all appropriate drivers) I think we'd see more people switching because of the slightly cheaper cost alone.
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Switching costs. It's the same reason people keep using Facebook and X despite the fact both are widely hated.
If Linux was the dominant OS preinstalled on the majority of computers almost nobody would make the effort to install Windows.
There are a tremendous number of people out there who do dislike Windows, but have no idea what to do about it. They see their computer's operating system as an intrinsic part of it kind of how iOS is kind of immutably baked into an iPhone. They don't really have a grasp on what an operating system is or how to install one, and even if told they'd be paralyzed with fear over the risk of breaking something.
You described me pretty well.
And you're not alone, in fact I would guess you're part of the majority. But we tend to live in bubbles surrounded by tech savvy people so we forget about it sometimes. And the problem with not knowing something is possible is not realizing its limitations, someone who's eaten hot dogs every day of their life has no idea what a burguer is, is one intrinsically better than the other? Nope, but they're different, and different people might like different things.
In any case, just like the other comment, if you have any questions feel free to ask, there's a thriving community of people who use Linux and some of us were like you so we know where you're coming from.
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Actually the most widely used OS worldwide is Android. Nearly ½ of all devices are Android while only ¼ of all devices are Windows.
Now if you want to adjust the scope and only look at "desktop" operating systems then yes, that is the majority. However over the past 10 years Windows has declined by ~15%, the majority going to macOS, but a small percentage going to Linux. Linux is generally on the rise, albeit slowly.
Also keep in mind the data I've referenced above applies to ALL devices. The landscape changes dramatically when you look at console vs "PC" gaming. Console gaming is roughly ~60% of the traditional gaming market. So while a Windows user may not become a Linux user, they may disappear and become a console user, decreasing the number of Windows users.
While I fully expect Windows to be around for a while, unless a change is made it will continue to lose market share. It would be a mistake to look at these numbers and think Windows is safe and beloved. By all metrics Windows is going away. It's not going to happen overnight, but 10 years from now?
The kind of people who came to Lemmy when Reddit enshittified are also the kind of people who went to Linux when Windows enshittified. Tech savvy enough to figure it out and zealous enough to stick with it, even if the FOSS solution objectively isn’t as great. (I’m that kind of people, it’s me.)
people can, and often do, use things that they hate.
I mean... right now I'm using windows on my desktop computer because when I installed mint I encountered a bunch of problems (no Ethernet, no wifi, no HDMI out, crashes on steam games...)
I really wanted to use Linux, but the out of the box support just isn't always there. I'm not using windows because I like or prefer it.
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This thread is fun too. Like valve is giving a wink and a nod when saying Windows is fine. Valve sells games. They don’t care if you play on steamOS, Windows, or a steam powered adding machine.
They don’t care if you play on steamOS, Windows, or a steam powered adding machine.
i think yes and no: they make their money from selling games, so they want more people to buy more games from them
… but, SteamOS achieves that in a multi-faceted way:
- it provides a fit-for-purpose platform for handhelds and consoles which previously steam didn’t have any market share over, and if that’s in SteamOS they have a massive advantage
- it gives valve some leverage over microsoft (if MS controls the platform that you depend on, they can do some pretty wild things and you have no recourse). in this case, they definitely care about bumping their numbers - more on SteamOS means less power microsoft has over them
- it creates competition, which forces microsoft to invest in making their own experience better, and better experience anywhere means probably more people game more often
i think that last point in particular is critical: every $ valve spends on steamos is multiplied, because microsoft has to spend their own money to keep up, and it propels the whole ecosystem forward
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