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[-] Korkki@lemmy.world 289 points 6 months ago

Really highlights the fact that any free speech and naive western sense of freedom in these walled garden is just a button press away from being taken away and that there are no rules or standards. Whenever the owners or their friends feel even slightly displeased, annoyed or god forbid afraid the masks go off and the hammer falls.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 113 points 6 months ago

Protocols not platforms are the future.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 132 points 6 months ago

Sadly look at email. Technically you can host it yourself but if you're not one of the 15 or so big providers, good luck not being marked as spam before you even do anything.

The real problem is with the oligarchy controlling everything, service or protocol. This is why Threads was/is dangerous.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 33 points 6 months ago

That is definitely a good point.

[-] SnotFlickerman 11 points 6 months ago

That's literally the same point I was making, that your protocol can be blocked when they've decided they don't like it.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago
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[-] Badland9085@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago

Somewhat unfair judgement against emails IMO, especially cause it’s the “trust list” that’s in the control of a few, with no open manner to add more people to the trust list. The protocol isn’t at fault for failing to prevent problems; it’s the ability for corporations to gain significant market share without control, before they are then allowed to put barriers down to disallow or discourage interaction between those in and out, forcing those within to stay in, while those outside to give up on others in order to gain usability.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

That was my point too, I guess I wasn't clear enough so thanks for elaborating. The protocol isn't at fault, but something being a protocol (and not just a proprietary service) isn't enough if the vast majority of the market share is being held by a few corporations.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

And they’ve been systematically shutting down anonymous email services.

Load up Brave with a tor connection, and try to sign up for anonymous email. When they can’t track you reliably, even the “anonymous” services require a confirmation email or phone number.

[-] TotalCourage007@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Man I don't want a future where we doxx ourselves to just be on a PC. Its insane that parents think real ID for gaming is a good idea. Linux might be the only way to escape any of this in the near future.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

They pretend it’s to protect us from illegal activity, but it’s really to protect them from whistleblowers.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Do protocols solve the problem of every hop in between you and the destination has to pass through what amounts to someone else's private property? Some private servers owned by who knows who on the way between that we have no idea whether they're inspecting every packet that comes through or not.

Because that's the bigger issue, and I'm not even sure it's one we can solve, because it's pretty important to how the internet functions.

A protocol still has to be supported and passed through private corporations walled gardens.

Who else remembers Comcast illegally using Sandvine to throttle bittorrent traffic specifically? Pepperidge Farm 'members.

https://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

That's what integrity checks are for, so that no one along the path can edit what you say before it actually gets published.

[-] SnotFlickerman 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's rather missing the point, an integrity check doesn't solve the fact that to communicate with anyone, you have to do it through giant corporations pipes.

An integrity check doesn't help when an ISP have straight blocked your protocols traffic, like Comcast previously did with bittorrent.

Can we stop sucking down the preachings of an idiot like Jack Dorsey? We don't actually have net neutrality, so it's totally within their current rights to just block traffic they don't like.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Almost any protocol can be wrapped in any other protocol. You could, say, use bit torrent by encoding the packets and embedding the data in valid png files, then transporting them over http. As long as both sides understand the wrapping it'll work just fine.

I've even seen http tunneled over DNS queries in order to completely bypass firewalls.

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[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

They've been getting away with their class-war for so long any deviation from norms is alarming. Usually we just talk about black vs white, right vs left, etc.

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 23 points 6 months ago

That is a fair point. I've said it to numerous people talking about this subject: Americans are the most propaganda inundated people on the planet. There's some quote about about how in China people know to not believe in the gov propaganda and here it's just called the news lmao

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I mean, North Korea exists. But yeah, Americans are extremely propagandized.

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[-] zapzap@lemmings.world 6 points 6 months ago

It seems like this is not a case of "no rules or standards". These platforms do have rules and standards. The article mentions them, in fact.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 15 points 6 months ago

.. and then goes on to point out how they are arbitrarily applied.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Do you happen to work in HR? You'd fit right in considering you defend arbitrarily applied rules at the behest of management.

[-] zapzap@lemmings.world 4 points 6 months ago

Ha! That's a good one.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Except freedom of speech only applies to the government. You can't yell from your neighbor's front lawn either if they don't want you to.

That said, the fact police were sent is BS.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 150 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Here's an image of the playing cards, for anyone who just came to the comments.

[-] addie@feddit.uk 37 points 6 months ago

Having the suit one corner and the rank in the other is going to make these a bastard to play games with. How would you hold them in your hand so's that you can see both?

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 months ago

Maybe the user was banned because of bad design?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, at first I thought he was copying the format from Iraq but nope:

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[-] Metz@lemmy.world 111 points 6 months ago

No idea why nobody linked it yet, but you can buy them here: https://www.comradeworkwear.com/products/the-playing-cards

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 96 points 6 months ago

Honestly? That very much feels like a "fuck around and find out" situation and a GREAT way to piss off rich people in the event someone else gets blue shelled.

Also: Free speech doesn't apply to social media. You can and will be banned for no reason other than someone with the power was bored.

[-] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago

Oh man blue shelled is perfect

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago

Thankfully no one cares when Forbes posts their hit list every year.

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago

Man, there's way more than 52.

He's gonna need a Magic: The Gathering like system for all those fuckers.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but I don’t think you’d even need to take out 52. After the first dozen or so, they’ll be more inclined to surrender their wealth and get off the list.

[-] kipo@lemm.ee 66 points 6 months ago

The fucking banks refused to let him take payments.

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[-] don@lemm.ee 30 points 6 months ago

Well, yeah, platforms (unless otherwise specified) are for-profit. Anything that would impede their profit stream is naturally going to be censored so that profit can continue uninterrupted.

Can’t have some idiot poor going around making richoids uncomfortable, they’d just pull their money, and that would mean less money going to the platforms.

Step 1: profit. Step 2: profit. All other steps: profit. EZPZ

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[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 months ago

CEOs are all the rage these days, but hear me out here - shareholders?

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

I agree... What is it like 10% own 90% of the stock market, 1% own 50% or something like that? Major shareholders are the real evil oligarchy... CEOs are just shills they hire to take the bullet, same as politicians but paid better... I'd love to see some playing cards for the real oligarchy... But it's pretty hard to really track them because they hide behind corporations and shit

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Really just anyone with a certain amount of wealth should be forced to redistribute that wealth or face dire consequences.

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[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 months ago

Just highlights once more that we are ruled and suppressed by the rich.

[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 months ago

Damn I would buy those too

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Oof, the back of those cards is designed as a shooting target. So much for plausible deniability.

Probably technically falls under free speech regardless.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No different from the dozens of other targets made as targets with the face of political figures centered as the bullseye, imo. If one is fine, it's all fine.

[-] zapzap@lemmings.world 13 points 6 months ago

And yet the card maker's website says "we do not condone violence".

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Just as credible as social media platforms claiming they protect free speech, or corporations that claim they care about anything other than shareholders profits. Or Trump claiming he doesn't support project 2025.

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[-] arararagi@ani.social 7 points 6 months ago

Their class is united, it's why they win.

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

See who you are not allowed to criticise and you will see who rules you.

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