Remaking as title wasn't phrased as a question (technically correct mod, best kind of correct).

So, having the abortion debate with a friend I’ve known for 10 years. He got sucked into the right wing Youtube algorithms in the last few years, we were roommates when it first started and it made me roll my eyes. Morally, I’m not going to be able to change his mind about valuing life at conception, vs my perspective of valuing human consciousness being the determining philosophical perspective. I’m of the belief it is morally wrong to abort a fetus at the point that relevant experts consider the baby “conscious”. So somewhere in the 2nd trimester. His mother started and owned her own defense/immigration law firm for 20 years, so he is familiar with how debate is supposed to be done. I am good friends with his mother, and after he debated her about it, she did change her mind from being staunchly pro choice to being more neutral on the topic. I haven’t asked her yet what he brought up that changed her mind.

However, to my knowledge, that doesn’t even matter. Abortion restrictions/bans are just, flat out ineffective policy. From my research, total abortion bans in the US were accompanied with contraceptive access being decreased, so using increased birthrates in red American states as evidence that less total abortions were happening is questionable.

He brought up Poland and a couple other Euro countries restricting abortion, and specifically in Poland legal abortions fell by 90% (exceptions in the case of mothers dying). However, ofc finding reliable stats for illegal abortion rates in such countries is going to be difficult. In addition to that, women in Poland and other European countries, are able to just travel to neighboring countries to get abortions (I believe, I haven’t seen mention of American style persecutions of those seeking care across borders).

His logic with the South American statistics I could find, the continent with the most total abortion bans was that despite them having x3 the abortion rates as developed countries with abortion being legal, he disregarded that as “they don’t have effective enforcement mechanisms”, and wanted to stick to developed countries. This is another example of determining the data/studies reliability seems... difficult, as I am not a statistician, and trying to find good data on illegal activities seems rough, though I am sure there are metrics to do so. I can provide my sources if requested if you guys are interested in taking a look.

These are the claims I am trying to prove:

“You inherently can’t have well enforced total abortion bans without infringing on women’s rights, to do so you have to treat women like second class citizens. In addition, total abortion bans are harmful to society as a whole in regards to maternal health outcomes and not actually accomplishing the goal of reducing the rate fetuses are killed at. I think the pro life movement has been pushed by either religious organizations, or nefarious, hostile to American democracy entities who have geopolitical goals in mind (ie, paralyzing American democracy with polarizing moral wedge issues).”

I figured Lemmy has probably had similar conversations in the past, and that you guys might have some helpful academic resources or arguments to point me towards. I’m trying to focus on the “the data shows this is garbage policy if what you care about (which he claims he does) is the optimal outcome for the most unborn fetuses and mothers, unless your goal is the cruelty, to be the sex police and trying to control women, then it totally makes sense to be doing what Republicans in America have been doing” angle. He claims for him it’s not about punishing women, it is about the potential lives being erased. The leader of the pro life movement in Poland said for them, it’s about upping native Polish birthrates, with him blaming ‘young women going out and drinking’ on falling birthrates. After the abortion ban in Poland, birthrates fell by 11%, making them the worst in Europe.

Anyways, if you guys have relevant data you’d like to share, would save me a lot of time, thanks! The dude claimed to be a “non religious abortion abolitionist”, so an extreme pro lifer. That shit pissed me, because he thinks he is in the moral minority that future generations will think were in the right, and instead he’s a fuckin’ part of the problem. I know data and statistics are a tricky thing to be definitive with :|

Edit: here are some sources I'm going to use. Will keep adding as I get time.

Study on countries with abortion bans having roughly the same rates of abortion as countries with few restrictions:

https://gh.bmj.com/content/7/3/e007151

Looks like my account was banned/restricted for the above interaction, have already sent the mods on world an email asking if they'd be willing to reverse that. Had an episode of psychosis a few months ago where I did say some offensive stuff, (understandably) got a 3 month ban on .lol for that, so could see my account having been flagged.

I uh, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to check others profiles to ensure we are correctly pronouning them… when making a throw away comment that is less than 10 words involving a ludicrously common saying. Jerboa does not show users pronouns. I could switch to an app that DOES show the pronouns, do any Lemmings have a recommendation for a free Lemmy mobile app that has that feature?

Edit: Edie chimed in, Jerboa does show pronouns. It's a formatting issue with mobile vs browser (She has them on individual text lines so they don't appear on mobile).

Was just going to respond to the user in question to let them know I wasn't purposefully trying to offend that individual, to discover I'm not able to post or make comments on world now, so figured I'd see what y'alls opinion on the matter is.

What do you guys think was the intention with this? I recently had an episode of mania, and was behaving a bit oddly, but I confirmed with my mother (this was her condo I'm renting it) that it wasn't here when she left and I've never seen it before :|

I've delayed making the transition to a fully "secure" set up until upgrading my PC and moving to a Linux distro from windows. now that that is happening and my parts are in the mail, what does the Lemmy community recommend for my personal network data to remain as eyes free as possible from potential hostile gov & non gov entities?

For context, I have 2 years of Ubuntu experience on a non daily driver laptop, recently acquired a CCNA, and have a deeply seated hatred & paranoia of being spied on. I have many hours of security content bookmarked, but am curious to hear the Lemming communities recommendations. I am currently studying for my AWS cloud practitioner cert, then Linux+, then my CCNP.

TLDR me Lemmy 🤣

I recently entered the IT field in help desk and have gotten my CCNA. I'm currently studying for my AWS cloud practitioner cert, and was going to go for Linux+ then the CCNP after that. However I've been doing some research into ICS/SCADA systems and the area deeply interests me. Do you think that's a viable career path in lieu of the CCNP, & if so what ICS/SCADA cert or course would you recommend ??

A friends mother that I used to rent a room from asked me to help her set up an outside home security system with motion sensors so she could watch the neighborhood cats cat around in her yard. I thought I'd screenshotted a previous Lemmy thread that had a perfect recommendation, nope. Can't find it.

I recently got my CCNA and figured it would be good practice to set it up for her. she wants 4 cameras with motion sensors for each. What system would you recommend, with what software? (Not connected to the internet of course, going to set up a server for her with one of the old computers she has laying around)

Thanks Lemmy! And yes I realize I could Google but figured I'd ask y'all lmao

I saw this music video years ago where it starts with a very zoomed out drone shot of this island, and as it zooms in on the island, you see a lake, with another island in it, that has a lake on it, with another island, another lake, then ANOTHER island, eventually zooming in on this guys mansion where he is rapping the song. I have not been able to find this video for years, can any of yall lemmings assist me |: my google fu has repeatedly failed.