nice job OP genuinely appreciate your expression of discontent and it seems like it might be successful too

@admiralpatrick@lemmy.world , seems like the LW admins changed their decision: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976

There will be a new announcement soon to clarify.

Your opinion seems valid. I’d be fine with leaving a flat earth post up, locked, with a comment that OP has turd brains.

The “different sides” argument is a fallacy. If 100 geologists say the planet is round, and one geologist says it’s flat, both sides don’t deserve equal amounts of space to discuss it.

As somebody running a cryptography forum elsewhere, if I was forced to accept lies that endanger people I'd rather shut down the forum instead.

I can imagine lots of other moderators in science and medical forums would hold the same opinion.

What happended to "Don't feed the trolls"? I thought it's shared expirience that giving attention to trolls like that only gives them motivation to keep on going. Ignoring them is the only way to stop them from spamming.

Well I suppose it's a good thing .world isn't the entirety of lemmy.

It is particularly egregious that they decided the flat earth thing was the example they were going to run with. We don't need to refute it every time a dunce brings it up and it's nobody's job to attempt educating the willfully ignorant. If the counter opinion is a thoroughly dead horse that's been beaten into paste, we collectively expect that to get downvoted and or moderated if it's actively harmful.

Holy shit this is such a bad policy lol. World is known for being too aggressive at deleting a lot of content they really shouldn't be deleting, but this policy really doesn't seem like it will improve that. The issue is most of the time if they want something removed they do so and then add a policy after to justify it, meaning that regardless of this rule people can't "advocate for violence", but they will be able to post misinformation and hate speech since apparently "LGBTQ people are mentally ill" hasn't been debunked enough elsewhere and a random comment chain in Lemmy is where it needs to be done. Never mind the actual harm those sorts of statements cause to individuals and the community at large.

All I can see this doing is any actual types of that get wrongly overly censored will still do so since the world admins believe they are justified in doing so, while other provably false information will be required to stay up since the admins believe the mods aren't justified in removing it.

This policy seems to only apply to actual misinformation too, not just subjective debates. So if there's a comment thread about whether violence is justified in protest would likely have one side removed, while I guess someone arguing that every trans person is a pedophile would be forced to stay up and be debated. Its like the exact opposite of how moderation should work lol.

Am I missing something or is this policy change to combat the tankie mods who are just banning left and right for anything that doesn't match the tankie narrative?

I get where you're coming from. I'm curious to see how all this plays out.

A user in one of my communities raised this salient point:

https://lemmy.world/comment/14406565

I will say, if Musk dropped a check, I never saw it. :)

"Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative."

It looks extremely reasonable to be honest

I was waiting for something like this to happen. I'm not surprised it happened to world, mainly because it ended up as default.

Why not just migrate to another instance? Have you forgotten that we are in the fediverse? This is a good opportunity to move communities to other instances.

So you (self-admittedly maining on another instance (in reality the admin of that instance)) are locking an entire community on LW in protest of their admin policy on their instance? That's bold, to put it mildly. You instance-ban users for downvoting, so it makes sense you find this change personally unreasonable.

Myself? I don't think the new change is a great idea, but I prefer it to short-fuse blanket bannings like that.

Niiice

TLDR;

• LW policy perspective --> I agree on balance
• LW enforcing it on all LW communities --> I disagree as it is not necessary, but it's their instance, so....
• Fediverse strength --> Move your community to another instance. I'll susbscribe if you do.

I can see both sides.

On the one hand, history is replete with popular opinions that were later shown to be incorrect. One of the reasons I chose to move to Lemmy was the inherent resistance of the fediverse to the enforcement of a particular narrative, and the inherent potential for respectful discussion and debate. As long as people remain respectful, my inclination is to leave up content that I disagree with. Please note, it has to be respectful, not merely polite.

On the other hand, there's no shortage of evidence that deliberate misinformation remains a threat in online communities. This is why we implemented no astroturfing and no sealioning rules in the larger community I help mod.

Holding these two competing thoughts, I think that points of view that run (edit: contrary) to the current scientific understanding should not be removed provided that the quantity is limited, it's respectful and it's not-harmful. But that's just my perspective, and how we handle it in the communities I mod. The beauty of the fediverse is that I also have no problems with someone setting up a competing community that takes a much less tolerant perspective and has a rule that participation is conditional on agreement to certain perspectives.

Yeah I decided to move off of lemmy.world recently. Seems like they've been making a lot of bad decisions.

Back to reddit I go!