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[-] SnotFlickerman 108 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

~~LGBTQ+~~ Everyone, but LGBTQ+ people especially need to get the the fuck off of Meta services now, they've showed what side they're on.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 54 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Straight+cis people too. I'm downloading an export of my Facebook info as we speak in preparation for closing it down.

[-] SnotFlickerman 13 points 5 months ago

I just deleted my old, disused Instagram account I hadn't touched in a long long time. Nothing even worth saving since I never uploaded anything to it. It was the only Meta account I still had around.

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[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That sounds like encouraging queer folk to flee public spaces which sounds like a favourable outcome to the conservatives. Is giving ground the best idea really?

[-] SnotFlickerman 54 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't know how to stress this any more clearly: A privately owned social media site isn't actually a public space. It's literally the definition of a private space. It's more akin to a mall than a library. That's the whole issue, how does it help to be on a site where all the admins have to do is shut down your speech and ban you anyway? Where everything you do, every move you make is tracked and monetized and studied to be used against you? It's by definition a surveillance state where you have no rights.

You realize they make money from ads and if the majority of people stop using their services they stop making enough money to function as a business? They may already have your data but you don't need to be giving them more.

The bigger issue is that corporations have commodified public spaces. You can take back public spaces by choosing to not use their services and convincing others not to. Facebook is already dying which is why they rolled out bullshit AI profiles and the public response to that went really badly. But they live and die by engagement so if they already are needing to turn to faking engagement to keep people on and money rolling in, then isn't a boycott literally the way to cut them off at the knees and stop them being a public space?

Forgive me if I didn't make clear that everyone needs to do it, not just LGBTQ+, my point is there are very few reasons to keep using these services for any person with a conscience.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Like you’ve mentioned, real public spaces have been killed so by quitting FB and other corpo social media you effectively self-ostracise as there are little alternatives. Yeah, you’re playing their game but when you’re losing you need humility rather than some moral high ground. If you want to affect the change you need to talk to people.

[-] SnotFlickerman 17 points 5 months ago

Real life exists dude. Facebook isn't the only place to talk to people.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Agreed but we invented other forms of communication for a reason. [edit] All I’m saying is - don’t roll over and let them win by default. You don’t have to use corpo social media in good faith. Break rules and fight back.

[-] SnotFlickerman 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

break rules and fight back

...and they will immediately delete all your posts and ban you. It's an authoritarian surveillance state, remember? It's way easier to "disappear" your voice and opinion from their website than it is to remove you from reality. They have literally all the control in that space, the technology is built against you from the ground up. There's nothing sneaky you can do that they don't already immediately see and can shut down. They automated bots roving looking for shit like that to take down.

How is that helping again? To be immediately silenced and others never see a word you had to say? How is that helping?

In the real world they still have to black bag you and throw you into an unmarked van to disappear you, something other people will see. Facebook makes it so that the unmarked van and black bag are never seen by others.

It's like fighting with a moderator. It ain't a democracy and whatever choice they make is "law," even if we are users disagree and think what they did silly. Too bad, thems the breaks. They have all the power in that situation and we don't. Zuckerberg literally employs mountains of people just to shut up voices like yours before they get a foothold. In my view, it's more than a waste of time, it's literally handing an enemy resources (data) while cosplaying being helpful.

Doing dumb shit like altering your language to use words like "unalive" to get around arbitrary filters is fuck stupid too and hurts language for the sake of people like Zuckerberg. You're not changing language to fight them, no your changing language for them instead of dumping their fucking services and using ones that don't do stupid shit like ban the word "suicide." Language evolves naturally, but this evolution is in direct response to censorship and it's a bad deal.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Okay, let's be clear about this: staying on Facebook isn't "humility." It's selfishly selling out to simp for the fucking enemy.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago

That’s the moral high ground speaking. I was like that too but at some point it was too hard to not notice that it wasn’t very effective. I’m pretty sure grannies on my local FB arthritis support group have bigger problems than navigating ethics of social media and politics.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 months ago

There is no talking. There is no convincing them to change. Let them rot where they sit. Let them die off in their old folks homes, hating the kids and the queer. It's not our job to sit on Facebook and leading them in a round of kumbaya. Since you can't protest a private social media network effectively on that network, you just walk the fuck away.

But don't delete your account, before you simply never login again, upload as much high def white static video as you can.

Screw Facebook and their advertisers. They don't need our eyes while we tried to tell some racist bigots that they're racist bigots.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If the alternative is nothing, that’s fine.

And if you need Facebook for work, fine.

But there is no reason to endure being on hellish social media. We lived without it for thousands of years, and you are (IMO) deluding yourself if you think participating brings even an ounce of change. The biggest impact you can make is not being on there and robbing Facebook (or whoever) of the engagement boost you give it.

[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It’s so weird to me that people still use Facebook. Nobody under 40 uses Facebook. The women use insta sure but literally what are you going on Facebook for. It’s only boomer hate groups on there now

[-] SayJess 62 points 5 months ago

I guess advertisers have no issues with Meta’s changes. Interesting. A few years ago, they’d be falling over themselves to signal that “hate has no place here”. But it is no longer profitable to be LGBTQ+ so let the hateful bell ring.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 31 points 5 months ago

Eh. The advertisers will be back to supporting LGBTQ whenever that month of year comes back

[-] SayJess 34 points 5 months ago

This year? Doubt.

[-] roawn@feddit.uk 34 points 5 months ago

Posts with LGBTQ+ hashtags including #lesbian, #bisexual, #gay, #trans, #queer, #nonbinary, #pansexial, #transwomen, #Tgirl, #Tboy, #Tgirlsarebeautiful, #bisexualpride, #lesbianpride, and dozens of others were hidden for any users who had their sensitive content filter turned on. Teenagers have the sensitive content filter turned on by default.

Kids wont even know what they will lose with his representation going missing on Instagram. So depressing. Wish that lizard freak the worst.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 28 points 5 months ago

Never used Facebook, never fucking will.

[-] PlantJam@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I haven't in over a decade. I think I'm up to eight different word filters trying to stop news stories about this from showing up on my feed. If they didn't have such a stupid name I could just block the term meta.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Plot twist: that was their plan all along.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

What about WhatsApp?

What about Instagram?

Also does your Lemmy instance federate with Threads?

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Friendly reminder: Deleting your account won't accomplish what you think it will.

Facebook will still keep all data that is associated with other users as per their own disclaimer. They also still keep logs that are "disassociated with personal identifiers. "

So all training can still occur. And understand what while Jane Smith may have deleted her account, they still have all the data it takes to indicate that User 12345 was tagged in photos with John Smith at the Burger King on 404 Fake St. And, because of that, the data that User 12345 had previously provided is ALSO John Smith's data. And Fred Wilkerson since he was at that Burger King once. And so forth.

And ALL that data is still there for training.

So do what you gotta do to make it less appealing to other users. But understand your data is already out there and is never going away. Same with reddit and all other social media (which includes Lemmy).

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Yeah but you know what? That's still better than actively engaging with their "services".

Eventually, it'll just be bots interacting with themselves, given enough time.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago

Yes. Like I said. Do what you gotta do to make it less appealing to other users.

But if, for example, you are an LGBTQIA+ person who thinks this will provide any form of protection...

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Eventually, it'll just be bots interacting with themselves, given enough time.

It seems like that's a good chunk of it already

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

If you're in the US, sure. If you're in Europe you can compel them to completely delete everything as per the GDPR.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 months ago

And I am sure a company that is now openly training their LLMs on copyrighted materials is going to totally comply with all of that...

One of these days people are going to learn "But it is against the law" doesn't apply to the rich and powerful, law enforcement, or megacorporations.

[-] AwakenedAce 6 points 5 months ago

No, I tried, they don't comply, and tell you to make a complaint to your DPA and the Irish DPA or go to court if you have a problem with that.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

Wait, Pro-LGBT speech IS NOT allowed!?!?! Holy fucking shit, this isn't a cesspool, it's an execution by firing squad.

[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

That's a misreading of the headline. Pro-LGBT speech IS allowed, but often suppressed.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 points 5 months ago

I'm kinda shocked people still actively use Facebook.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Only ~3,000,000,000 people/month.

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I would take the 3 B number with a pinch of salt. Its 3 B accounts, not unique individuals.

At one point last decade I had 11 seperate Facebook accounts, used for various purposes. They're all deleted now, but my behaviour is not unique. There will be many, many people running multiple accounts, and don't forget bots

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[-] madcat@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, it means all speach is welcome. Freedom of speach is a fundamental right and anyone advocating for censorship should take a long look into the mirror before calling other people fascist.

[-] bamboo 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Clearly you didn't read the article. The first paragraph is about Meta censoring LGBTQ+ content

On Monday, Taylor Lorenz posted a telling story about how Meta has been suppressing access to LGBTQ content across its platforms, labeling it as “sensitive content” or “sexually explicit.”

Posts with LGBTQ+ hashtags including #lesbian, #bisexual, #gay, #trans, #queer, #nonbinary, #pansexial, #transwomen, #Tgirl, #Tboy, #Tgirlsarebeautiful, #bisexualpride, #lesbianpride, and dozens of others were hidden for any users who had their sensitive content filter turned on. Teenagers have the sensitive content filter turned on by default.

When teen users attempted to search LGBTQ terms they were shown a blank page and a prompt from Meta to review the platform’s “sensitive content” restrictions, which discuss why the app hides “sexually explicit” content.

People who comment on articles without reading the article itself should take a long look into the mirror before implying other people are advocating censorship.

[-] azantis@ani.social 4 points 5 months ago

Censorship is a constant. Power dynamics is a thing and will always be. Thinking that any of those big players truly care about any ideology is a mistake and the only true way of seeking "freedom of speech" is really to find your "tribe" that can support itself.

That's why we came to Lemmy. We don't want to be censored by big boss, we'd rather be censored by the owners of the Lemmy instances because at least they are closer to us.

What's going to happen is that you will now start listening more to people that were censored while your guy was in power, while they got censored for their opinions, as bad or as good as they are, you had your chance to speak, now as long as you are using mainstream media you will sit and listen like the good user you are.

The choice is yours Neo, either wake up and understand power dynamics or sit and listen like a good cumsoomer.

The choice is yours.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

All edge, no point.

I'm from the "old internet", and I remember early experiments at "free speech absolutism". Just let everyone say whatever they want, words are just words, truth will prevail over lies. Those forums slowly decayed into safe heavens of right-wing extremism, as people got accused of horrid crimes, then doxxed, if they dared to criticize the nazis hanging out there, to incite real-life violence towards them. However, the nazis demanded civility and acceptance from everyone left of Mussolini, as they supposed to be for free speech and tolerance. Then the people who ran them pulled the plug, which really pissed off those nazis.

Somewhere around 2006, the far-right started to play the optics game, especially in my home country, Hungary. They figured out they needed to control the language around politics. Just like how right-libertarians appropriated the word "libertarian" from the left, or how capitalist propaganda think tanks detached "socialism" from "worker ownership of the means of production", they needed to redefine racism to mean "the irrational hatred of race of ethnic group for the sake of evil", censorship needed to be defined in a way that mere criticism would constitute as such, and so on. They also exploited technicalities: if you called them out for Holocaust denialism, they argued they weren't, they just think the numbers are overinflated. And of course, they went low by having de facto doxxing sites (in Hungary it was kuruc info, a neo-nazi news portal that used legal loopholes to avoid getting nuked for such activity), while expecting others.

These were enough to fool me into supporting them, but as I went deeper and deeper into their evil ideology, I had to realize I was groomed. After the 2010 elections, I had to realize Fidesz not only started to adopt far-right views to a more mainsteam audience, but they were hypocrites about almost everything, and this hypocrisy wasn't a bug, but a feature reserved for those in the inner echelons. And every time I see this echoing all around the world, I can do nothing, but watch "western" democracy die in favor of oligarchic fascism trying to exploit both racial and theocratic fascists. Arguing with them does nothing good, instead I get called a "pedophilia supporter", "Stalinist", "anti-christian", and "virtue signaler".

My best current day example for why "free speech absolutism" will eventually lead to the rise of fascism is Chaya Raichik, aka Libs of Tiktok. She regularly doxxes LGBTQ+ people and their suppporters while calling them groomers. Her audience sends them threats, while Raichik does the "um, ackchually, I meant ideological grooming, parents have absolute rights over their children" switcharoo also likely perfected in Hungary (we had the term "political pedophile" instead, with loyalist media having a moral panic about children not being able to call each other homophobic slurs).

I also used to use Facebook, but left due to it let the right off with abuse, but the left got shadowbanned and suspended for criticizing them. According to the actual logic Facebook is actually operating by suspiciously close to the time progressives rejected generative AI, the word "racist" used for people calling black people the N-word is bullying.

I'm not saying however, that the left is perfect in every sense. Judging by your writing style and your instance, you might been called an evildoer because you liked a certain subgenre of anime/manga that often features erotic content, but due to the kind of erotic content, it's often hard to defend to anyone, thus leftists started their often insane crusade against lolicon, even if a lot of right wing people defended it in pretty bad ways, or used it to weed out "not real" anime fans.

With moderation/"censorship", we have to ask ourselves whether we do it to protect each other from actual harm (don't forget, some "free speech absolutists" think real, actual CSAM is just "a recording of a criminal activity"), or do it to please some very arbitrary moral standard or a higher power. We obviously will make mistakes, and we need to realize the humanity of the other instead of doing things like "these transes called my loli hentai pedophilic, they deserve to be banned from going to the toilet".

[-] SayJess 40 points 5 months ago

Free speech absolutists are so annoying. Your tolerance of the intolerant is so stupid. Yeah, protecting marginalized communities is fascism.

Go outside and check the political landscape. Now figure out how this change of policy relates to that atmosphere.

Now shut the fuck up about things you know not of. Protecting LGBTQ+ people is fascism? The fuck out of here with that.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Freedom of speech isn't a fundamental right. If you doubt this try publicly and clearly threatening people with the intent to harm. You will be prosecuted for that action.

You should avoid using words you almost cettainly do not understand which in this case is "fascist".

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Cool, so you wouldn't mind if I went to all of your neighbors with your photo and told them about how you molest children, because freedom of speech is a fundamental right. Correct?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Are you aware of the details of what they're actually doing? Do you know how they're implementing these changes?

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