In my experience linux runs every game I want and has done it with less issues, crashes and tinkering than it was on windows 11. I constantly see posts from windows users about how some game doesn't work or crashes while it runs fine on both deck and pc. Only games not working are those that are disabled by devs to scapecoat massive amount of hackers onto linux users.
+1,or some old games which have some creepy game engine which quite buggy.For example my cousin like to play pet horsez 2 and it was need tinkering game works only window size screen not fullscreen
I'm the other way around. I switched to Debian on my main around a year ago now and I'm like "oh, this game works, and this game works too, oh and that works as well, wow!". Honestly, any game I threw at Debian, it just... worked. Granted, I don't play very recent games and most of them either single player or does not have any serious anti cheat measures. Even VR works with ALVR and Steam VR, wirelessly on my (or rather my homie's, just borrowed) Quest 2.
And not just games, a lot of Windows software just works with Wine.
So, before the change, I thought I need or use Windows exclusive software, and I did, but all of them are now have decent alternatives. Maybe except for Notepad++. (I use Kate and KWrite, but... I really don't like those softwares, but they get the job done the same way np++ did)
So, I'm really surprised how well this past 1 year went without any issue.
But that's kinda valid that if something doesn't run, then people won't change. You are talking about people who doesn't care libre/FOSS software and all that jazz, they won't change if it's just simply worse.
I simmarily roll my eyes when people volunteer "I'll go vegan as soon as lab grown meat is cheap, healthy and indistinguishable." Every meat eater says this to me at some point.
Like okay, that's nice? Lots of us live and thrive just fine without it, but even when all your hurdles are passed you'll find some other reason.
Just own it and say you don't care. Stop lying.
I mean I'd love if things like chicken didn't have all the icky bits
Chicken is the meat that has the best vegan alternatives, though.
If you usually eat chicken in any form other than directly off the bone, good alternatives are indistinguishable.
Linux should have been a developer's platform. Sadly it's incredibly commercial now. Won't be long before it becomes like Windows for the gAmErS.
It's a little strange that you think "I want feature parity with what's working for me (from my perspective)" is:
The healthy responses would be "Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about... yet" or, if they're open to it "Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you."
The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone's tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.
yeah, if you want to talk to computer normies about it, its good to focus on the practical advantages.
you wont get nag screens and bullshit, its yours. it works well even on potato computers. its actually easier to use in a lot of ways. there are no ads. it actually runs games now, sometimes better than windows. it wont randomly slow down for some background task while you use it. it wont uninstall your shit or reset settings. it wont install shit without you approval. there are no ads. its less targeted by hackers and viruses. it is more powerful if you want to put the effort.
so on, so forth. privacy and freedom are important things, but ones that most people sadly dont think about in secondary aspects of their lives like computers are for most people.
I can't believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.
Haven't booted into Windows since at least November, it's a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.
What a time to be alive!
(note: the only game I can't play is Valorant, but that's the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)
"it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless"
I need Hdr and vrr to work and a replacement for madvr that can make movies look as good as it can.
That's what's holding me, and multiple people I know, from moving to Linux.
The hdr and vrr seems to be about there but as far as I understand there's still not an equivalent to madvr.
Both have been seeing significant improvements recently or have been gotten working. You can test most recent fedora without installing to see if it works.
Why is it a lie if people don't want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don't know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
Why is it a lie if people don't want to switch, because their games are not there yet?
It’s the generic they don’t like what I like cope.
Its fear of the unknown. These people know logically the flaws in windows but are afraid to experiment because they think Linux is hard or too much effort. It's similar to (although not in the same severity of) the justification that abuse victims use to justify why they stay with an abuser. Feel bad for these folks and try to educate.
You ever seen this XKCD about “today’s 10,000?”
Your rant reminds me of that because I think you’ve got this idea in your head that everyone in life is at the same point in their journey as you are now. Linux has been on the edge of my mind for awhile but I’m a really busy working person and learning a new operating system seems daunting when you don’t have the experience.
Then I bought a Steamdeck last year and a switch flipped in my head; I was like hey this gaming on Linux and it looks like it is actually doable. Then a few weeks back a misfortune resulted in Windows getting nuked on my gaming PC and I had some free time so installed Linux for the first time and started trying to figure stuff out.
My point is that there are people who are truthfully interested but overwhelmed with life or it’s just not as high a priority to them so it hasn’t happened yet but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. This approach of “they would have done it by now if they were going to” just seems silly to me. People have lives and we are all at different places in our journey.
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn't mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren't using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
I had no interest in linux half a year ago and now I go around telling people that linux is less tinkering and headaches to play games and use daily than windows (cause it is)
I'll move once it has Steam VR support. I don't care if it's just one VR game at the start. I just want to be able to see my monitors and play one game. And I know other options exist. But I want Steam.
Steam vr works for a ton of people flawlessly. I only have jitter issues but most have told me theirs works fine. So ymmv as there are people on windows who have vr issues too.
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.
If it don't work on linux cause it was made for windows, fine. Console software doesn't run on any os natively for example and I aint mad. If it is following the trend of "it works on linux but we ticked a box on our anticheat so it doesn't" then I am a bit upset.
If the game doesn't run on Linux, there's a good chance it's using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, "just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything." Neither of those is the case because it doesn't factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it's mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren't growing isn't going to help.
Pointless discussion.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90's.
Who cares.
Folks that're going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I'm sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it'll be familiar.
People won't like it to hear but let's face something: if your reasoning to keep using a proprietary system that violates your privacy and belong to a evil company is because you have to play videogames your intelligence and self control is that of a child.
Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.
Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.
I hate when people say that they'll only move when it has 100% support
Why do you give a shit what os others use?
Because of bandwagon effect. The more people use linux, then even more will. And itll get more support from software and hardware developers. And the world will be more free, safe, and not controlled by a big corp.
It's pretty hard switch. I have a high interest in Linux, and I have 100% game compatibility. But I'm always running into issues that are so bad I have to abandon ship. I broken Ubuntu, Nobara, Debian, OpenSuse, and EndeavorOS. Truly Linux isn't ready for newbies.
What are your issues? My problems were games on ntfs filesystem and secureboot. After fixing those two i can say windows is terrible and requires tons of tinkering to get things working as opposed to linux where you just plug it in and it chugs.
Never had problems with games ever, mostly I'll just do an update and get to play black screen simulator. I'll select the previous version in grub, but I still wanna update and know why it didn't work, but there no answers online or people willing to help.
That's one of many problems I'll face. So I'll go back to Windows while it is terrible and clunky, it's at least troubleshoot-able.
To counter this, my experience was completely different. The transition was very easy.
Just set up some type of snapshots (I used Timeshift with auto snapshots made before every update and made available immediately on grub boot menu).
I ran EndeavourOS for over a year this way, and broke it a whole bunch of times while learning the ins and outs. Timeshift was clutch, and made reverting any mistakes super easy.
Now I'm on Bazzite, which is atomic and immutable, so I don't really worry about breaking anything because I couldn't if I wanted to (I mean I could, but it's not easy).
i wouldn't generally say not ready for newbies. It depends on your hardware and your individual way of doing things.
you cannot just expect that year or decade long windows habits translate seamlessly to Linux. so there will be a bit of a wall to climb for most people and many failed attempts. that is ok. just try again if you feel like it and you will arrive eventually with a hell of a new computer related problem solving skillset you automatically pick up along the way
Linux is ready for newbies, just as Windows is. You just have to relearn stuff and not treat it like Windows.
"Fuck you Microsoft, I'm moving to Linux" says the individual that would never move if they haven't already
I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.
Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you're trying to share but cut people some slack...
"I want to be able to use my expensive hardware for the reason I purchased it in the first place" seems like a pretty solid argument to me.
Every so often, when an online game gets support on Linux I give it a go. I almost immediately remember why I stopped playing them, most of them are cesspools of toxic pkayers, predatory micro (and mavro) transactions and the works. 100% of games worth playing run on linux already.
I understand what you’re saying and I guess it’s true that some people are just finding excuses.
But I think you also lack some empathy towards everyone ´s user’s case.
Personnaly, switching fully to Linux was pretty easy as 99% of my gaming is being done on Playstation.
On my playstation 5 I can know for sure that I can play every game I fancy.
Why am I gaming on consoles? Mostly because it involves no tinkering.
So, despite having gotten rid of Windows a while ago, I would easily give up if I had to tinker to get a game running.
I know that gaming on Linux as never been so easy, but gaming on PC (windows or linux) looks already too difficult for some people with all the requirements.
I might jump to a Linux gaming rig in the future, but I can also understand why some people are choosing an easy path.
Frankly, I probably wouldn't move either if Windows didn't permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers
I think this might be colouring your expectations a bit, and you might be projecting your experiences on to others.
I've said for years that it was gaming that was holding me back from running Linux full time. I don't do a huge amount of gaming, but it is important to me, so for many years it was a deal breaker.
Now, gaming is good enough, even though it's not perfect, and I moved to linux full time around 9 months ago.
People aren't "lying". They just have different priorities to you...
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