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This new bill, signed into law by President Joe Biden, includes a provision that limits access to gender-affirming care services for the children of people serving in the military.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 220 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The bill just "includes" the provision? Nobody put it there, it's just that new language often spontaneously erupts in a piece of legislation?

And why the vague language of "limits access to gender-affirming care services". What's actually in the bill is no more complex and a lot more clear. Are psychological gender-affirming services still available? Yep. Are puberty blocking drugs still covered? Yep. All that's blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren't yet capable of giving proper consent.

Tell the whole story or GTFO. Debating Biden's complicity is fine, but don't skip the Republican's role with the passive voice like you're CNN describing how more violence just "erupted" in Gaza. Don't hide what's actually in the bill and potentially cause trans kids to not bother seeking medical services because they were misled by your hack politics.

This is not legitimate outrage at the legislation. If it were, you wouldn't have left out the main protagonists, what's actually in the legislation, and the entire story. It's just mastebetory outrage bait meant to divide the left which is (surprise) the entire reason Republicans forced the issue to begin with.

If you're not already a right wing troll, you should go find the people who pay money for posting this kind of garbage.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 week ago

Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren't drumming up "illegitimate outrage" for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation. They had veto power in both the Senate and the White House and let it sail right through because it was easier for them.

And I've definitely edited out the personal attacks for posting such an offensive comment. But you certainly goddamned deserve them.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago

My comments were mostly directed at the summary, although a couple criticisms apply to the article as well. As I said, it's legitimate to discuss how complicit Biden is, and you can add the Senate to that as well. The problem is doing it in the context of incomplete and misleading information about what was actually in the bill, who put it there, and why. Such a discussion does more harm than good in the ways that I explained.

The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it's not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.

You weren't privy to the negotiations, so your commentary that Democrats just passed it because it was "easier" is entirely speculation. Stating that as fact is something I consider offensive. It also didn't just "sail right through". The negotiations took months, and the negotiations on such a bill don't end until the votes are known. The actual process of calling the vote is irrelevant. I criticize Democrats myself, but not for things I just make up in my head.

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Exactly. This headline could also have easily been "Republicans hold government funding hostage to force first federal anti-LGBTQ legislation in nearly 30 years."

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.

OH WELL THAT'S OK THEN.

Hey, I've got an idea MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN. "They made a really damaging modification, oh well, guess we just have to take our (well earned) beatings then, we've tried nothing and we're all out of options."

And fuck you Out magazine isn't blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats. The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren't just making up things in their head. Your capitulating ass doesn't get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset at the representatives they support and voted for throwing them under the bus. YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors that tried their best but simply couldn't find a way to say "that's unacceptable" are the one who is actually making things up.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN

We know they didn't remove it from the bill. We don't know that they didn't fight to remove it from the bill. We do know that they objected and negotiated it down for what it originally was. We also know that passing no bill would be worse, even for any children impacted by the coverage restrictions.

Out magazine isn't blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats.

My comments were directed at the summary more than the article. The article does have some of the same flaws though.

The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren't just making up things in their head.

I hope they are clear eyed about who is responsible. I don't think it likely that they would blame Democrats and ignore the Republicans who pushed it.

Your capitulating ass doesn't get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset

I made no objection to anyone being upset. It absolutely sucks that this was included and I'll fight right along side you to get it changed. We should all be upset. But, we are in a split power situation with the Democrats seriously weakened after the election. That's going to have consequences, and I'm afraid this was the tip of the iceberg. No President with a split Congress has ever been able to control everything in every piece of legislation they sign. That's just not reality.

YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors.

Postulating that negotiations happened, or what happened in those negotiations? We know the negotiations happened, and we know that early drafts were worse on this and other Republican culture war issues. Beyond that, I don't claim to know anything, but you seem to. It was you who postulated that they didn't try to remove it.

Maybe in the near future we'll learn something about the negotiations that will change my opinion. Maybe the Democrats traded this to the Republicans in exchange for more pork for blue states or more bombs for Israel. Are you aware of any such dealings?

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Oh fuck the cope is so strong here. How do you clean the shit off your nose after licking so much fascist ass?

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 98 points 1 week ago

Fuck off Joe. Stop doing Trump's dirty work for him.

Pocket veto that shit.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

This whole thread is fucking disappointing. Yes it's super shitty that tricare isn't going to cover trans kids. We just had a budget showdown where Elon fucking Musk tried to tank the entire nation. Biden signed this shit and said he hated that he had to do it because it excluded trans kids.

I'm no Biden fan but holy shit get your course corrected and get ready friends because this ain't shit compared to what's to come.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

Agreed. The political ignorance of the common American is why it is so easy able to drive these wedges.

Anyone pissed at Biden about this is not a politically smart person and are easily manipulated becuase they not only lack political intelligence but lack the ability to gauge their lack of political intelligence.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

They could have just not funded the government/military, I would be fine with that.

[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yea they could have. But Biden didn’t shut down paychecks for regular folks right at christmas…

You’d be fine with that.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Better than picking disposable section of society to throw under the bus in the name of compromise, why do Trump's work for him?

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The only thing it's denying is surgery that could cause sterilization. A thing that is pretty rare for children to undergo.

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 95 points 1 week ago

They start with the weakest and most vulnerable and then they work their way out to the rest of us.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I don't like Biden at all but this one is finicky.

You may not like to hear it but but placing limits on funding for it they make it harder for the next administration to act against them since most political power is in the purse. No dei? No dei firings. No "misappropriation" of health funding, no health funding cuts or firings for having trans kids. Moreover it means if they do transition privately the government would have to create a novel argument to prevent private and or criminalize actions that amount to speech which would be difficult.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

If the first Trump term didn't show you that unwritten decorum rules like this mean exactly fuckall, I'm not sure what it's going to take

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It's not unwritten or decorum.

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[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 19 points 1 week ago

I don't think this is Biden trying to hurt trans kids, I think this represents the democratic party being too tired to fight for everyone's rights - shrugging their shoulders with a sigh and saying 'whatever'.

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

"If we send the Jews to the camps before Hitler takes power, Hitler won't be able to do his Holocaust!"

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This is who he is, a pushover.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I think it's pretty well known that the democrats do not have spines.

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[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The fuck? Did Joe fall and bump his head?

🤦‍♂️

Edit: I see why...

almost $900 billion defense bill

Yup, gotta keep the Military Industrial Complex going... 🙄

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

If he vetoed the bill over this, Congress probably just wouldn't pass a bill to fund the military! It's must pass! This is our one shot! /s

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 10 points 1 week ago

And as we all know, if the military goes without approved funding limits, it completely breaks down and becomes useless overnight.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 10 points 1 week ago

Sure would be nice if every single citizen of the united states gets to personally bitch slap every member of congress, presidential cabinet, vp, pres, etc... When a completely unrelated thing gets shoved into a bill.

There is 0 reason an (hypothetical) infrastructure bill for new sprinklers in hospitals needs to include a provision that Wisconsin dairy farms get a new milking machine. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. So why are they in the same bill.

If you want it to be a bill, put it in its own separate proposal.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Democrats say the American public doesn't need the 2nd amendment anymore, but here they are proving to your face that when push comes to shove, no one will be coming to help you when your lawn has a mob of 61 MAGA coming to lynch you for whatever delusional reason they manufacture.

We are on our own.

SocialistRA.org


You're gonna die of old age soon biden, but your garbage legacy will linger forever in the history books like shitting on the pages and slamming the book shut.

A cowardly empty shell of a man to the bitter end.

Enjoy hell you piece of shit.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Agreed.

Biden's legcy will be bringing a bit of the Israelis geniocidal hatreds home to rot the core of the US. Enshitifying the western world order and democracy itself with the same pathetic "bipartisanship" centrism and selling out that has defined his entire career and been a plague on all of us. An old white bigot with no relevance, intent on sitting in a chair that was always too big for him. At best he was not Trump. And thats about all he will be remembered for.

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[-] fadingembers 40 points 1 week ago

With allies like these on Lemmy who the fuck needs enemies. So anytime we want to throw trans people under the bus just add it to a funding bill? Would y'all be singing the same tune if these provisions targeted gay people? Black? Jewish? At what point does an anti trans law cross the line for y'all? How many rights do we have to lose before you'll speak up?

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago

Bro... the genocide. All lines have not only been crossed but erased forever as the Democrats ratchet the USA to the right.

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

I mean, they've already signed off on wholesale genocide, it's pretty clear they have no lines left to cross.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

Well, with the incoming terrorists that will be running things in a few weeks, brace for a lot more.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Joe Biden over here complying in advance.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

This guy was everyone's hope?

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I despised him before it was cool. So yay me I suppose.

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[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

Anyone outraged at Biden for this being played for a fool.

Good luck getting any future support if this is how you treat the leaders of the only legitimate party that is allied with you.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Which party is that again? Because I can't think of a political party that is working to remove landlords, empower worker's unions, and break up massive corporations.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"the only legitimate party" my arse. You still act like you are deciding if the youth and progressives have a spot on the floor next to the mighty democratic party table in case you want to throw us some scraps when actually you cant win any election without us, and have no power at all -- at any level of government. You now also have a terrible reputation for being genociders, corrupt, our of touch with the working class, and lacking any sense of strategy. And lacking any dignity either. Even when trump drums up his own resistence against him (because god knows you're not up to that task) you still cant win without your left flank. You arent even aware of what your numbers are. Pathetic.

So shut it. You centrists have gotten enough attention and you've done nothing with the opportunities you've been given, besides consistenly blowing it. You wont be in the drivers seat for a long time, and I think the general population is sick of losing because of your incompetence and unprincipled shenanigans.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

None of you read the article or the white house quote. This is a purposefully misleading headline. Bill was poisoned by gop, if he doesn't sign it a shit load of other things are fucked, by design from conservatives.

None of you are adults, man. Gop is a cancer. You have to amputate your leg. Yes, you stop cancer spreading, but you lose your leg. Designed so that you're fucked either way, but the other way, you die. Grow up.

[-] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Ha, us fools are so blind. It really is both sides, and we've all been bamboozled.

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