I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”
Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?
It's woke because they're so unhinged that basic human decency is woke now.
Always was
Yep, snw and picard get 'woke' complaints. LD they tend to just attack for being animated
SNW has like 90% female crew members. Also the pilot lady has short hair. Therefore woke.
Probably.
OP what do you think of Discovery?
I ask this because 9/10 times someone talks about how Star Trek was "always woke", they are usually just salty people don't like Discovery and trying to pretend that most people who criticized it were bigots.
The other 1/10 times it's someone who doesn't even watch Star Trek trying to hijack the sub to push a bunch of performative culture war nonsense. However that usually involves a Tumblr post implying the Klingons were socially progressive because of how Kor treated Jadzia Dax.
You cant take the actions of one Klingon and assume that describes the behavior of the species. That's racist.
In the defense of people who constantly post the meme, they've never given enough thought to Star Trek to consider that some random Tumblr screen grab isn't accurate.
I'm always stunned how many people on this subreddit come off as vocally progressive, but don't bother actually watching the show. I guess that would take a modicum of effort.
Given that everyone who didn't like the show was a bigot it made me super interested in liking it.
I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.
Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.
And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.
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Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think is more progressive: a spaceship where all female crew is forced to wear miniskirts, a bridge crew that has exactly one woman, the part in the pilot where "Orion sex slaves" are introduced in the horniest possible way, or the married producer who was cheating on his wife with the only two relevant female cast members?
The 1960s was a long time ago. While there are a lot of TOS that aged very well, the idea that the show would be decried as woke is straight up delusional.
Not to be that guy, but in the 60s, mini skirts were considered an empowerment. It was the beginning of the sexual revolution after all. In contemporary times it won't be a miniskirt, it would be something else.
When people say "if star trek were made today" they don't mean time travelling Roddenberry, studio, and crew to today without changes. They mean creating star trek to today to tackle contemporary issues.
Cow pies. "Original Star Trek" clearly referred to TOS.
If OC meant a modern rendition of classic trek, they wouldn't be speaking in hypotheticals. They'd just refer to SNW by name.
In the hypothetical scenario that I presented, star trek never existed and was created for the first time in contemporary times.
Strange New Worlds doesn't fit in this discussion because star trek was already created in 1966 and this is a prequel/spin-off of that series
So by "original Star Trek" you're actually referring to a fundamentally different series. This hypothetical version of Star Trek magically keeps everything you like about it, while shedding anything problematic or downright bad.
The lengths anyone on this site will go to avoid admitting that they made a stupid hot take comment is wild.
Okay, I've finally looked up what DEI means... Diversity, equity, and inclusion are things people are berated for??
It's not what DEI means. It's about what it stands for.
Conservatives don't want to be told to treat people with decency. They want to treat however the fuck they want, and then tell you that you aren't treating them decently.
It's about wielding power.
DEI is the current iteration of affirmative action, that’s all.
The problem with DEI is that it’s an imperfect solution that only came about because racists and other bigots couldn’t behave themselves. Forcing the hiring of specific demographics isn’t going to result in the best possible outcomes in every case but those groups also need opportunities even though they’ve been systemically given worse educations and have been generally shat upon. Removing race we’d also probably hire the white man more often but not because they’re inately better, but rather because they are simply more likely to be able to afford to have pretty looking resumés compared to disadvantaged minorities.
We wouldn’t need DEI in the first fucking place except people like an old boss, who saw an immigrant classmate of mine’s resumé come up and because of his African last name said “no thanks I want to keep jobs in Canada”, need to be forced to do the right thing. They create the problem and throw temper tantrums when we try to fix it. These people are obstacles and it’s getting tiring.
TL;DR: They feel as if they have a point because DEI can result in a more qualified person being turned away, which I get feels unfair. However, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that said person was only more qualified because we make it so difficult for minorities to fucking do anything. I’m getting so sick of right-wing bullshit.
Also, DEI is trying to diversify the points of view in the workplace. Homogeny of thought is NOT better when it comes to problem solving. Varied voices can create amazing solutions to problems one didn’t know really existed. If allowed, it builds creativity.
The issue with this is you often end up with a diverse group of people who are all very educated and grew up in upper-middle class or even upper class homes. It's a diversity of race and gender but with everyone having the same values anyway. I've seen it myself being the only person in my workplace who grew up poor, you realize how little the rest of it really matters.
In my field anyway it’s not about background, it’s shitty managers not listening to anyone and only wanting to hear about how great they are. I am a tall white man and they still don’t wanna here even the littlest bit of polite feedback. I handled them more carefully than children and they still moaned and cried.
Diversity is good, and I do not think my experience is a reason to not care about it, but removing those worthless bosses is the only thing that will actually allow real change to actually happen.
YES, it's insane. It's like saying "be a decent person" and people going "Fuck you, commie bastards, I do what I want."
They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.
The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other
That's a simple enough message to even get it from Warhammer 40k - Gender? Skin colour? Disabilities? Doesn't matter, pick up a Lasrifle and start shooting xenos
It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.
There will never come a time in which we have everything figured out.
Yes but that doesn’t mean we should never look back and see how far we’ve come, just as we look forward and see how far we have to go.
And there will be things that are being created today that's considered progressive that in 20 years, will be considered as missing the mark.
They were even more upfront about it in TOS for some issues too.
I remember many instances where they say "We have women in our crew in the future." It's not like DISCO flaunted around saying "we don't hate gay people in this ship."
Like I understand that DISCO isn't everybody's favorite, and sure it has some issues, but all the flak it got for being "woke" and "preachy" was weird to me.
Part of Kirk's whole thing was preachy speeches, and Picard had many moments too.
Fun fact: Katherine Janeway didn't attend Starfleet Academy; she was in ROTC at the Samantha Carter School of Character Introduction.
I don't care about the woke nonsense. STD has very few redeeming qualities. Bad writing, bad acting. They spent little to no time flushing out the characters. I guess they didn't have time what with the universe about to end every 10 minutes. I only watched for Anthony Rapp, Doug Jones and Michelle Yeoh. Everyone else was a stinker or didn't get enough screen time.
I quite agree STD wasn’t everyone’s favourite, in any case it wasn’t mine, although I really tried. But whining about it being woke was just stupid.
Hey now hey now!
It's a cashless classless society, it's about economic class justice, too!
That part's just more in the background.
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