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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 15 hours ago

Fash gonna fash.

[-] Juigi@lemm.ee 8 points 17 hours ago

War mongering Turkey what a shock

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago

Shock.

Surprise.

For those who don't know, Turkey hates the Kurdish people. Iraq and Iran are too powerful for them to go after the Kurds very well there. The SDF along the northern border of Syria is Kurdish and is unprotected. Expect no quarter by either side. The Turks will also kill civilians if they get into population centers. This enmity runs to the Ottoman Empire who also mistreated the Kurds in favor of the Turks. When Ataturk turned to focus on the Kurds after the Armenian Genocide the Kurds took up arms rather than be next.

The SDF previously relied on the stalemate of the war to not be bothered by NATO. But with that over and Trump returning (who gave the Turks the greenlight to occupy sections of Syria last time) it's obviously time for the Turks to go after the Kurds again. Because God forbid the Kurds actually get self determination and peace.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 21 points 23 hours ago

The kurds have been one of the most betrayed people by the West. They were one of the only ones to put themselves directly in front of the ISIS hordes. Men and women fought and lost their lives to stop ISIS from spreading their reign of terror even further. The West promised in turn to help them gain their territorial autonomy. After defeating ISIS the Americans then pulled out of all of their promises to the Kurds, abandoning them, and are now actively supporting Turkey in destroying the kurdish autonomous region. What an utterly disgusting move on their part, and surely telling for all the movements looking to collaborate with them in the future.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

And that's after being abandoned after fighting Saddam Hussein as well.

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Oh, for fuck's sake-

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Wait. I thought Turkey was happy about so many Syrian refugees leaving. And now they're following them to bring more war? WTF?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

The Turks can always make room for killing more Kurds.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

The main reason why turkey supported HTS is this right here. Watch as the country continues getting broken into many pieces and eaten up by these vultures.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I have met more good Kurds than good Turks while I have met a lot more Turks.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Note that the SDF/PKK/YPG Kurds are not representative of Kurds in general. They are mix of various "secular" faction, some being marxist, some being just your run of the mill warlord. They have recently killed protestors in Aleppo and they run torture prisons and use mass executions as means to keep the people in their control "aligned".

They managed to get themselves a good reputation with leftists in western countries, who are sympathetic to the struggle of the Kurdish people, but liberation will not come from these groups.

[-] itslilith 15 points 1 day ago

I don't know where you getting this from, but Rojava is generally considered the most democratic faction in Syria. They're not marxists, they instead follow democratic confederalism (a form of libertarian socialism). As per Wikipedia:

While entertaining some foreign relations, the region is neither officially recognized as autonomous by the government of Syria, state, or other governments institutions except for the Catalan Parliament.[19][20][21] The AANES has widespread support for its universal democratic, sustainable, autonomous, pluralist, equal, and feminist policies in dialogues with other parties and organizations.[22][23][24][25] Northeastern Syria is polyethnic and home to sizeable ethnic Arab, Kurdish, and Assyrian populations, with smaller communities of ethnic Turkmen, Armenians, Circassians, and Yazidis.[26][27][28]

I'd say they're the best chance Syria and the Kurds have at liberation.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

Watch the US abandon them too, after basically using them to squash ISIS. A concern though, is Turkey won’t want to hold territory, so it’ll end up creating the same power vacuum that spawned ISIS after it drives the Kurds out. A better solution would be for the US to just broker a deal between all parties.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

Turkey would love to expand their borders. They already exist on a war footing because they insist on treating domestic Kurds like Native Americans were treated and sending military expeditions into northern Iraq and Syria. The only difference would be staying there.

[-] BlesthThySoul@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago

Turkey is performing this act for the sake of the historical three cities which are present in Syria to be included in their current map.

Erdogan himself gave such a blaoted nationalistic speech after the fall of Assad.

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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A full-scale invasion of Syria by Turkey, without any political adjustments to the situation, would mean Turkish troops seizing land currently co-held (together with the AANES / SDF) by American troops. Without coordination, Turkish drone and artillery strikes would land near US troops, which would call in reinforcements to remove the drones and artillery.

Needless to say, one NATO ally going at territory held by another is a pretty bad idea.

So, in some parts of Syria, proceeding with their plan requires a US president - and most likely not Biden - to give them the green light and withdraw US special forces from SDF land. Basically, it requires the US to screw its allies in the fight against the Islamic State. Which would not be out of character for Trump, since Kurds cannot "pay him for protection". The protection was based on principles (the Autonomous Administration of North-Eastern Syria was the only player in the region that tried sticking to democracy and human rights) and a common enemy (ISIS).

I hope all of this doesn't happen, but if I were the Kurds, I'd be keeping drone batteries charged and knocking on every diplomatic door for assistance.

In case of things hitting the fan, it might be useful to remember a link to the Kurdistan Red Crescent - Heyva Sor a Kurdistanê. (They can't supply drone batteries, but deliver medical and humanitarian aid to the region.)

Tbh this is precisely how I expect things to play out over the next couple months. And I fucking hate it.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 32 points 1 day ago

Which would not be out of character for Trump, since Kurds cannot "pay him for protection".

It's not just in character for Trump, it's something he has already done. He abandoned the Kurds in 2019 when Turkiye launched an offensive against them

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Basically, it requires the US to screw its allies in the fight against the Islamic State. Which would not be out of character for Trump, since Kurds cannot “pay him for protection”. The protection was based on principles (the Autonomous Administration of North-Eastern Syria was the only player in the region that tried sticking to democracy and human rights) and a common enemy (ISIS).

The US using and abandoning Kurdish people is a repeated pattern long since before Trump. Heck, the US helped Saddam Hussein massacre thousands of Kurdish people in Iraq in the deadliest nerve gas attack in recorded history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

Also the DAANES you mention as "trying to stick to democracy and human rights" runs torture camps and mass executions and the US helps funnel new people into them.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/syria-mass-death-torture-and-other-violations-against-people-detained-in-aftermath-of-islamic-state-defeat-new-report/

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

Thanks for pointing that out.

Until this report, it was my impression that they tried sticking to democracy and human rights - but had a problem with recruiting underage people, which they admitted and dealt with.

This report is new to me, so I think it might be new to others - I recommend it.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 18 points 1 day ago

They're going to co-ordinate with the Americans. Erdogan is going to ask Trump "can I go kill some Kurds on Syria", and Trump will go "sure". That's what happened last time.

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[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

One of the reasons I've been boycotting imports from Türkiye for years.

[-] Solumbran@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

A new dictator takes the land, amazing

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Nice truck. Hammond should take it to a McDonald's sometime.

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