Suddenly it's an elective procedure and no longer covered by insurance.
Though I guess it may get more expensive for insurers to cover the unvaccinated so the market might actually win out with that one...
Compulsory quarantine for people coming from the US into EU is gonna happen very fast
Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was 'immune' to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. "Go to the fair and there's a chance he catches it." Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.
So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn't vote in the US are starting to realise what they've done.
and then spread to the world
But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.
We're already having a problem with it in Canada, so I'm pretty damn nervous. I have family members who really rely on herd immunity.
Ya, I'm in Canada also. And unfortunately I know more than a couple of people who legit believe vaccines are a scam. But you can find idiots everywhere. I'm honestly not too worried about it here.
The issue is, especially for measles, herd immunity. There are some major problems with measles in particular, such as:
Measles is so contagious that one infected person can spread the respiratory virus to 90% of people in the same room—and it can live in the air for two hours. Often, an infected person doesn’t even know they have measles for several weeks.
and
Early symptoms include a fever, cough, runny nose, and red eyes, all of which could be overlooked as part of a common cold. A skin rash doesn’t typically appear until three to five days after the first symptoms appear. Someone with measles is contagious four days before the rash begins and four days after. There is no cure for measles, but if you’ve received the measles vaccine or are immune from a previous infection, consider yourself protected.
Another major problem is...:
Depending on the disease, herd immunity may begin to show beneficial effects when just 40% of the population is vaccinated. But for particularly contagious diseases, that threshold is far higher, exceeding 80%. The vaccination rate should be about 96% to achieve herd immunity for measles.
So we're going to have immune compromised people getting and then spreading measels. It hits children the hardest, and we're going to start seeing absolutely heart-breaking headlines about children dying to a completely preventable illness.
Oh, I don't disagree. Measles is horrible. It's even been found to reset a person's immune system. Like erased to newborn status.
But what I mean about not being too worried, is that I have a modicum amount of faith in fellow Canadians. And once those insane policies start happening in the US, the entire rest of the world is going to place travel restrictions to/from the US.
But what I mean about not being too worried, is that I have a modicum amount of faith in fellow Canadians.
I'm glad you do, and I don't. If, as polls show he should rather easily, Poilievre wins the next election we'll have a Prime Minister who marched with the Convoy. In addition, the Federal Conservative party voted in 2022 to not recognize climate change. The idea he'll place restrictions down is, to my mind, flat out wrong. I think he'll bow and kowtow to whatever Trump says, and from the amount of 'Make Canada Great Again' hats (And the full on MAGA ones as well, which is.. bizarre) I see throughout the interior of BC/Alberta, I think there's some serious indicators the voters will, too. John Rustad almost beat the BC NDP. Polls show 43% of voters in Ontario plan to vote for Doug Ford again.
I am glad you have faith in Canadians, I just don't understand where that faith comes from.
I am glad you have faith in Canadians, I just don't understand where that faith comes from.
Mostly from interacting quite a bit with Americans and seeing how much better Canada is by comparison. Don't get me wrong, things are tending down, but we've got quite a ways to go before we get that bad.
"trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr."
We're gonna party like it's 1899
Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.
They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.
As is tradition!
Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It's the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.
All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?
I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don't know how to salvage someone like that.
I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/
It's scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump's tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I've had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you'd be surprised how much success you can have.
This is correct, I use this method a lot in my work with the disabled. Often with clients that struggle with mental health, it's important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
The easiest way is to empathize with acknowledging it as worthy of the space it's taking up and offering up something related that I might worry about. Then redirect with a similar subject, but framed in a way that gives more power over it. Maybe a news article that pointed out how is being solved by someone, or overcome, or even simply made fun of.
If you can laugh at something for being ridiculous it has less power.
You don't need to change their belief in you just need to redirect it and reframe it, they will then have a different mental relationship with it later, and over time change.
You have to age them out there's no other way, their brains are rot.
I don't think this is going to work. There are just as many younger trump/cultist/conservative voters now as there have been. Church attendance is not falling off and megachurches are getting more and more popular. People have been saying the same thing about the right-wing die-off as long as I've been a voter, and as much as I'd love to see it, I don't see it happening.
Unfortunately, the majority of them are incapable of that regret (or at least admitting it).
99 dead kids in the ground,
99 dead kids
Remove a vaccine, no longer to be found
999999999 dead kids in the ground
Many nearly extinct diseases are already planning their great comeback tour in the US.
Wonder what will happen when the rest of the world denies entry to Americans for health reasons.
Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That's crazy. Good luck America.
They are not "pro-life", they are "pro-forced-birth".
Holy shit, is this for real?
It's been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.
It seems like every horrible thing about Trump never gets any attention because of the other horrible things about Trump.
Why the fuck are people still surprised?
So RFKs gonna say “vaccinations bad”, and Trumps gonna be like “thanks for letting me know mate”, then cancel vaccinations…. And then the shit really will hit the fan.
If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad
If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster
The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.
That'd be fine if they weren't dragging the rest of the world along with them.
Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can't read or just don't care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.
Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can't hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.
End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don't force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.
Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.
Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can't get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don't have a gun to protect yourself.
I'm could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800's where the rich control and own everything.
Don't let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It's just that one side doesn't give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.
I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn't free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.
Make infanticide numbers great again
I guess Trump wants to eradicate the American population? How does this make them money?
A new period of prohibition begins. How do I buy vaccines illegally?
Likely Elon Musk and some other people are covert eugenicists. A lot of eugenicists work with Lysenko-style "genetics", and think generations surviving deadly diseases will bring forward a smarter and stronger humanity,
That makes sense. Musk is the poster child of pusedo-science.
Well, if America is no longer a superpower, then Putin and all his oligarchs buddies are planning on sweeping up the spoils of its ruin for themselves.
Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for the ~~first~~ 2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it's parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.
This has such "Doctor Strangelove" vibes, although the idiocy on display in that movie was meant to be satirical and absurd, yet here we are
Enjoy your wiggly kids Republicans
Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.
Was cool while it lasted.
I think we are forgetting the rate at which Trump chews through allies. Kennedy is simply another useful idiot. He was useful to have his idiot base vote for the turd. They will (maybe) look at the numbers, pharma will say that stocks will go down, and Kennedy will be substituted by another useful idiot. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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