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[-] RedStrider@lemmy.world 183 points 1 month ago
[-] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 97 points 1 month ago

That is actually just disgusting.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago

Straight outta the scummy debt collector playbook

[-] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

What in the actual removed?

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 171 points 1 month ago

So, how much is Funko or their "partner" going to willingly pay Itch for their lost income? Or is there going to have to be a lawsuit?

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 month ago

Itch doesn't appear interested in suing unfortunately. I want them to, not because I'm bloodthirsty, but to set precedent that this wreckless use of AI content moderation isn't OK. I can imagine Disney and Nintendo following this.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

I mean... a little bloodthirst is okay.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 month ago

This isn't wreckless. In fact, it's fairly wrecking.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

I don't know itch's daily profit, but I doubt a half day's will be enough to warrant a suit.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 58 points 1 month ago

My worry is that without a lawsuit or other action, we'll keep seeing LLM slop companies taking down smaller websites for bogus reasons. This needs to be codified somehow that there were damages done to Itch's earnings (and more importantly the earnings of the independent creators on the platform who should start a class-action suit), and that what Funko's contracted LLM company did was wrong.

There's financial damages, loss of profit, emotional distress, reputation loss, and more. We need to take action against these companies for their wrongdoing. So either they need to willingly pay up and have that payment be known and public, or they need to be made to pay by the courts.

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

Don’t worry false positives and AI go together like oil and fire.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 21 points 1 month ago

Yes, which is why we should make every one of those false positives cost an arm and a leg to the perpetrators.

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[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Itch is by no means a small time player. Doing some very fast statistics off of the game price breakdowns available and the counts of games available vs. the number they rate as best sellers, if 20% of their best sellers make a sale each day and 7.5% of their non-best sellers make a sale each day, assuming an average price for the three pricing filters of (under $5, $2.5), ($5 to $15, $10), (over $15, $20), then Itch sells approximately $20k/day. Half a day is $10k. If those averages are actually much higher in their respective areas, as in just below the maximum then the daily total jumps to over $35k/day. There is wiggle room in my assumptions, but it is safe to say that Itch sees about $25k±7k/day.

As mentioned in other suits, there are nonmonetary damages as well which are harder to quantify without access to their analytics such as reputation damage, lost traffic, maintenance and repair from the forced outage at the domain level, etc. I could see a suit for $50k in actual damages and another $500k-$1M in punitive damages to send the message that this behavior is intolerable in general.

[-] Brokkr@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

A law firm capable of handling such a suit would probably bill at a rate of $2000/hr, or more.

If your numbers are right, then they could afford to pay for 20 hours of work. That's probably not enough to even file the suit. Again, this assumes your numbers are right but even if they were 10x this it may still not make sense to file a suit.

Unfortunately, I don't think the math works out in their favor.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Except that most firms that charge $2000/hour take the fee from the settlement, not up front, when doing civil litigation. Really only criminal law is paid directly by the client, at least in the US.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 128 points 1 month ago

Either Funko is lying or their "brand protection partner" is lying. Also, what the fuck does Funko have to protect? The only thing they actually created was those beady little eyes they put on everyone else's IP.

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[-] MangoPenguin 96 points 1 month ago

Funko and their "partner" should be fined for fraud.

[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 85 points 1 month ago

Funko should shut down out of embarrassment. Not about this specifically, just because of their entire product line

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[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 66 points 1 month ago

Manufacturing landfill waste should be illegal.

[-] bilb@lem.monster 20 points 1 month ago

Let me enjoy making fun of them! ;)

[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 13 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't be an unreasonable point if they were not so god damned fuck-ugly!

[-] yamper@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

nobody's stopping you from enjoying funko, just making fun of you for enjoying something dumb

[-] pacology@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

“We reached out to itch.io” aka we called his mom.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

If my kid is running a website and some fucking lawyer calls me about copyright bullshit, that fucker is getting 100% of my pent up salty rage.

I have a very particular set of skills, and they only make me a nightmare for a very specific type of situation.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Momleash the beast

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 month ago

It would be a real shame if abuse@dtnt.com (the domain registrar of brandshield.com) were to get a bunch of reports about scams and illegal activity found on the website. Bonus points for copying legal@dtnt.com.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Make sure to link their actual site to since those all exist as redirect pages:

https://www.domainthenet.com/en/

This registrar is such hot garbage that it stinks of just one individual or group controlling the whole thing from the registrar level to the few domains they provide. Their contact form page won't even load for me.

continues to poke around

Oh what do you know, the registrar and "BrandShield" are run by the same guy

https://www.crunchbase.com/person/david-fridman

Sounds like the reports should go directly to ICANN for ignoring reports about domains on their registration list

Edit:

I would be remiss if I didn't include the other founders

https://www.crunchbase.com/person/yoav-keren

https://www.crunchbase.com/person/yuval-zantkeren

Who, again, all founded "Brandshield" at the same time they bought the rights from ICANN to make their own registrar, which appears to purely operate as a byproduct of "Brandshield"

[-] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Imagine if enough people will write to ICANN and ICANN will ban them. That would certanly be something I did not expect in 2024.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Apparently I've just shared in Funko Pop's passion for creativity.

Is this a different language that sounds deceptively like English? I feel like someone wrote this by running whale song through an LLM.

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

Funko: Hey, chatgpt... Write an apology letter to the gaming community about getting itch.io shut down. Something like "Sorry, we fucked up. Please don't hate us and continue to buy our stuff!" but make it sound like it came from an intern in HR.

Chatgpt: I got you fam...

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Apologies use the word “sorry” and take responsibility. This isn’t an apology.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

We reached out the admin of Itch.io's mother and made threats against her.

That's the real situation.

Funko is a corrupt, evil company.

[-] homesnatch@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

Some people are looking past the partner or putting "partner" in quotes.

Funko doesn't handle these takedown requests, they hired BrandShield for this. BrandShield definitely went overboard and their reputation is at risk.

I've shopped around for brand protection in the past when scammers registered a domain name with my company's name in it, and used it to do fake job offers. We got the domain suspended by contacting the registrar, but we didn't know about it until it was reported to us.

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They did it on Funko's behalf, at their direction.

It's perfectly fine to also blame the partner, but Funko ultimately bears 100% of the responsibility for the actions they instigated.

They did it at their general direction, but almost certainly not at their explicit instructions.

These takedown factories use 'how much shit we got taken down' as a metric, regardless of what it actually was, and LOVE spamming out thousands and thousands of reports at providers until providers do what they want and take shit down.

My personal favorite one was a bunch of morons who didn't understand how IPFS gateways worked, and would send literal, actual, we-counted thousands of reports over pirated ebooks that were "hosted" on the gateway.

Except, of course, this isn't how any of this works and while we did push back and argue over months and months about this, not every provider is willing to invest the time it takes to fight these shits.

Also, if you want super giggles, you should look up the standard text that Web Sheriff sends, which claims all sorts of human right volations and human slavery offenses when someone infringes a trademark for their customers. Absolutely unhinged, and there's dozens and dozens of these companies filling up your average provider's inbox every day knowing full well that just being annoying ENOUGH will get them a +1 in the takedown metrics.

It's really got nothing to do with what Funko might actually really be after, and everything about how they can bill Funko more while just using automated scrapers, automated webforms, and people in the Philipines or similar making pennies to just reply to providers with pretty much the same script until the hosting provider gives up fighting and does what they want just so they'll go away.

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When you hire someone to act on your behalf, all of their actions are your fault. They are you.

I'm not saying this shouldn't be a huge warning sign not to hire this company to everyone else. I'm saying the only possible way to not be the bad guy would have been a statement "we terminated our arrangement immediately and will pay all of the costs of our mistake".

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[-] gsfraley@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This, and further exacerbated by this post where they take no accountability.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

I could go with this if they actually apologized and fired BrandShield. They did neither of those things, so have demonstrated their full endorsement of BrandShield’s fraudulent behavior.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 20 points 1 month ago

Makes me wonder if the report was for something like itch.io/blah but it took the whole site down. If they're not being dishonest, I could see going to registrar about a site imitating to be yours for phishing.

Funko still deserves some flak for, at least, using an automated tool (or a setting) that is so insanely aggressive. Maybe the registrar holds some blame too.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Maybe the registrar holds some blame too.

Frankly everyone involved in this situation looks bad except the victim who did nothing wrong.

Funko deserves blame for using a dodgy solution that they have no real understanding of.

The brand protection partner, whatever the hell they're called, deserves blame for being scumbags who go for the nuclear option as a first result. Knowing full well how destructive and completely disproportionate of a response that is.

The registrar deserves blame for being utterly stupid and responding to a report without doing even the most minor of investigations first. Like I don't know, looking at the website.

No one at any point attempted to reach out to the owner of the site, they called his mother for some reason, not the actual site administrator, so they didn't make any legitimate attempt at contact.

I honestly have no idea what the end game here was supposed to be, because there's no way in hell that this was ever going to end other than everyone looking like complete idiots. I honestly think that just everyone involved here is just utterly incompetent.

I have never heard of this particular registrar but they're going on my long list of registrars not to trust, alongside GoDaddy.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

At united health care we really respect all the money we extract from all your dying folks and recently we noticed that one of you died one of us. So we started a manhunt for anyone of you and now we got a rando who sort of looks the part. Thank you for the inconvenience. We will be ghosts now since you won't find any of our names online starting now...wait not, starting now!

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

I am so confused by all this. It makes me feel old.

Funko is essentialy just plastic, shitty Beanie Babies, right? They do nothing original, from what I can tell.

[-] oVerde@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago
[-] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Come on, man.

I support reigning in corrupt oligarchs (full asset seizure, 20 years mandatory community service as a live-in junior janitor in a hospice care facility) as much as the next person, but this is stupid.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 weeks ago

Uh no, this was annoying but none of the companies involved deny care for sick people which increases their chance to die.

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