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Windows VS Linux (part 2) (lemmy.world)
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[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 113 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine. What about clicking the download link on a webpage, clicking next a few times and having them software on your machine, compared to having to build something from GitHub (how many people here have never had to do that?).

[-] abfarid@startrek.website 54 points 7 months ago

This applies to pretty much all "Linux good, Win/MacOS bad" memes. I just assume that people either aren't really serious about them and it's just tongue in cheek, or they don't have any contact with regular people.

I used to work as a(n assistant to the) sysadmin and the things I got called over never stopped to amaze. For instance, there was a case when software was updated on the work machines and I got called because some lady couldn't use Adobe Acrobat. "It is asking me something, I don't know what". I come over and it's just a TOS Accept/Decline window.

Some people do not understand computers to an extent that they can lock up in a state of confusion when a button has been moved 100px in any direction from its usual position.

[-] prole 32 points 7 months ago

Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine

Maybe this is a problem that we should be addressing, rather than just making technology more of a black box, and raising generations of people who have no fucking concept of how any of it works.

[-] NoFun4You@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Lots of people don't care enough to learn

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[-] Exec@pawb.social 9 points 7 months ago

and raising generations of people who have no fucking concept of how any of it works

Only two generations were got to be technologically literate.

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[-] aski3252@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Unless you have a system without a GUI, you don't need to open a terminal in order to update or install stuff. There is a GUI for that. And no, you don't need to build stuff from GitHub for normal user stuff..

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[-] IHateReddit@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

been using linux for a few years both on servers and my pc and I never had to build sth myself

[-] babybus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago

Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are...

Let's not cherry pick users then. I don't care about your normal users. My experience is better on Linux.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 12 points 7 months ago

Let's also not conflate "ease" with historical behavior.

Taking previous experience out of the equation, it is easier to type apt upgrade and reboot to update your entire system than to click through 300 times in the system and multiple apps with reboots.

That is a fact.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

You don't even need the terminal. There is a interface to update if you are using a DE.

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[-] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 53 points 7 months ago

This was made by someone who has never used either

[-] Zink@programming.dev 15 points 7 months ago

Eh, Windows complaints tend to get pretty hyperbolic much of the time. It’s slow and annoying but I’ve always worked with it

But the description of the Linux update process matches my experience with mint, pretty much. I even use the GUI update utility because it will put a little icon in the bottom corner of the screen. It’s quick even if I’m using a program that’s going an update, and if the kernel gets updated it’s just like “hey remember to reboot buddy!”

[-] needanke@feddit.org 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Besides missing dependencies or repositories for more nice software this kinda closely matches my experience though.

(Ignoring winget, becaust it is not really the mainstream way to install windows software)

What is your specific issue with this?

[-] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago

Mostly that this hasn't been my experience with Windows for like 20 years.

They might as well bitch about dropping their punch cards.

[-] needanke@feddit.org 13 points 7 months ago

I still (have to) download scetchy executables on Windows when I want to install most programms, while on debian I can install most programs via apt and a few repositories. Even when it's not a standard repo I still prefer it over random executables because while the security is just as bad at least I get updates without having to open the program itself.

But what resonated with me most have been the restarts for updates. Happened way to often that I wanted to stop working but cant just shut down windows without updates and the accompanying reboots. (If I don't check up in between to decrypt the disk on startups it'll just sit there and run out the battery and I have to do the restarts on the next workday). On debian I just klick the power button, it hibernates (or I shut it down if I'm in the mood) and os updates are completely seperate from that.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 12 points 7 months ago

What sketchy executables are you downloading?

What makes downloading steam from valve more sketchy than allowing a Linux repo to run arbitrary code as root on your machine for every single one of thousands of pieces of software maintained by strangers?

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[-] ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca 52 points 7 months ago

I haven't had a DLL issue in Windows in like 20 years.

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[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Open terminal

See whether the app is in my distro's repos, flathub, or snapcraft (It's not)

Go on the internet, search up the app's name

Download the AppImage (might be a virus)

LibFuse2 is not installed (fuck me)

Install LibFuse2

Install Gearlever to integrate AppImage into my desktop

I can finally launch the app

[-] bamboo 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fuck, I hate AppImages so much. Never heard of gearlever, thanks i hope this helps a lot.

Edit: Ok Gearlever is pretty great! Now I can finally open Heroic normally. That pissed me off for so long.

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[-] hinterlufer@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

somepackage requires otherpackage version >10.1.79

otherpackage is already at latest version

Have fun compiling it yourself and messing up what is managed by the package manager and what's not. And don't forget that the update might break some other package along the way

[-] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 13 points 7 months ago

If your distro maintainer's do a good job, that situation never happen's.

Or just use gentoo where that problem doensn't exist at all.

[-] abfarid@startrek.website 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Don't use apostrophes wherever you see an "s" at the end of a word. If you're unsure about whether or not to use an apostrophe, just don't. Because statistically, there are far fewer cases where you need 'em than there are cases where you don't. Plus if you missed the apostrophe where it should be, people will just assume you didn't bother to type it or it was a typo. Whereas if you do type it where it shouldn't be, it's a clear case of "this person doesn't know how apostrophes work".

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[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Edge (Microsoft browser) thinks the Microsoft Teams exe installer FROM MICROSOFT SERVER is malware, no joke.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 26 points 7 months ago

It is.

[-] drhoopoe@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 7 months ago

Broken clock and all that

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[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 25 points 7 months ago

I can't remember the last time I got a DLL error on my Windows laptop, honestly. I don't think that's ever happened on my current computer.

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[-] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 22 points 7 months ago

You're forgetting winget. It's actually really good.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 7 months ago

Winget sucks ass. Fails half of the time, lists way too much I did not install through Winget m, even had apps broken because of bad updates through Winget.

Never had these problems with scoop or chocolatey though.

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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What the actual fuck are you smoking?

At least update this meme to the 2010s if you won't go to the 2020s

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Been using Linux off and on since 2003-ish. I remember the days of having to compile applications and having to download various dependencies. Linux now is so streamlined and easy. Minus gentoo.

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[-] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I don't know about all the arguing and snark, but... I've been using Ubuntu (laugh it up) on my work laptop for the last 3ish years, and the vast majority of the time it really is "click install updates. wait 2 minutes. ok every program on your computer is up to date, just don't forget to restart Firefox". Can't think of a time where updating sucked. Sometimes I even go through the terminal just because it makes me feel cool to be a hackerman.

I dread updating my windows pc at home. Cuts into my WoW time too much.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

IDK, but I more often had issues with installing apps to Linux than to Windows, usually dependency-hell related ones, but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

If you're enabling Snap on Mint, you might as well install Ubuntu.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

Seems like a win

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[-] VonVoelksen@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 7 months ago

I don't like windows either, but updating with Winget in terminal works pretty good. Not as good as with Linux, but better than downloading every app via browser.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 10 points 7 months ago

Chocolatey is the best option I've found for this on Windows:

Chocolatey was created by Rob Reynolds in 2011 with the simple goal of offering a universal package manager for Windows. Chocolatey is an open source project that provides developers and admins alike a better way to manage Windows software.

You can install & uninstall software from the command line and update everything installed through it with one command.

It's not a real package manager of course. It can't update the operating system, and Windows applications aren't built for modularity and shared libraries the way Linux applications are. But it does automate application management like nothing else. I highly recommend this if you use Windows.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago

Remember DLL hell in windows 2000? Damn that was rough.

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[-] gramie@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

I've been a Linux user on and off since 1996, and there are still times when I give up trying to install software because of cryptic error messages.

Yes, I had my parents using Linux Mint for about 5 years, but eventually my brother who lived near them switched them to Windows because if there was a problem with Linux he couldn't help.

Don't worry, this is definitely the year of the Linux desktop.

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[-] TheV2@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago

If I had seen this type of content when I was discovering Linux, I'd have probably stayed with Windows...

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